"If China is capitalist, that means capitalism works!" - Very Serious Leftists
1mon 4d ago by piefed.social/u/PugJesus in meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works from media.piefed.social
Capitalism has always technically been viable, in the same way benevolent monarchies/autocracies are viable. They don't generally occur, or last when they do occur on a fluke. That's always been the problem with them. And why power should be diluted/subject to consent.
"Viable, but not desirable" is how I generally think of it. Or, at least, as viable as any other system literally invented before fucking sociology.
We have better options now. It's just on us to discover them by mass implementation.
Agreed
And that's not even the case with China
Nope, heavy concentration of power with plenty abuse. But to tankies the fact that they will imprison and kill the petit bourgeoisie that cross the party. Makes the petit bourgeoisie still existing somehow okay.
If the workers own the means of production, how are there billionaires?
Um, obviously, sweatie, these billionaires really ARE the hard workers Westoid billionaires only wish they were!
I feel that many conflate capitalism with commerce.
Yes, but in this case, considering China's large private sector reliant on the exchange of stocks as a means of providing an investor class with ownership of, and return on, the profits of the proletariat, China's gonna fit into a capitalist definition.
China literally has private companies and a very uneven wealth distribution and barely any social safety net. I would definitely not say the workers are in control there. Sure the party has a strong influence and they decide what flies, but that doesn't mean they're socialist. The party elite has become its own kind of elite and not "the people"
Also, China has never bullied its neighbours.
That is bullshit, they are actively doing so at sea.