is it true that linux cannot run on a laptop without any SSD ?
23d 10h ago by hear-me.social/ap/users/116280023545064493 in nostupidquestions
@nostupidquestions is it true that linux cannot run on a laptop without any SSD ?
I had gone inquiring at a couple of local stores regarding restoring my 2gb Ram laptop with 500gb HDD. At both of the places l was told that l need to put in at least 4gb of fresh ram + insert a bare minimum SSD, otherwise windows wouldn't run on it.
When l said that l'd be working on linux, this technician guy told me that even linux has become heavy these days. Not sure what he meant by this, but extra ram burns a lot of holes, not mention about the price of SSD.
So, l just want to make sure. Is it true that modern machines won't work without any SSD or machines with 2gb rams are simply fit for the museum ?
No, this is wrong, Linux can run on an HDD.
Linux runs on a potato, you may need to be picky about the distro the more resource constrained you are, but that's it.
Or may want a bigger potato for convenience.
Or a sweet potato for a better user experience.
Or a bag of potato chips for a more Windows-like experience.
I used up all my potatoes. Does plantain work as well?
Plantain, turnip, yeah it's all good!
The 2GB of RAM are going to hit you harder than the HDD, if you intend to run a modern browser on it…
This, the computer will work great for basic tasks but anything JavaScript heavy will slow things down.
Linux can run off an HDD.
Hell, there are versions of Linux that are designed to be run off a USB stick.
Hell, there's even Linux distributions that run off a floppy disk.
https://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/boot_floppies.html
https://krzysztofjankowski.com/floppinux/floppinux-2025.html
Running live from usb at the moment.
You don't even need a HDD or SSD. You can just run from the boot media.
Booty ran Linux!
@Dultas this is something completely new.
New? It's been a thing for ages. Used to be live boot CDs but USB is faster so it switched over like 15+ years or so ago...
He's a big box store professional; in other words constantly confidently incorrect.
Also trying to sell you something .. potentially on commission.
Linux can run on a fucking potato.
It can also run on a celibate potato - it's very flexible
It has no qualms with the life choices of the potato.
@kmartburrito @NegativeLookAhead what's a celibate potato ?
A wordplay.
If there is a "fucking potato" there should also be a "celibate potato"
A potato that chooses not to have sex
If you want to run a modern current linux distro on a laptop with only 2gb of ram and 500gb then your options are very limited, but it is possible.
For example. Void Linux with Enlightenment will work. A browser will work ok for basic websites but heavy apps like Gmail will be unusably slow.
If you have no option to upgrade, you can still use a machine with those specs to run linux apps like Abiword, Gnumeric, GIMP, etc very well.
Also, putting in any SSD drive to replace the spinning one is the single best upgrade you can make in terms of performance and longevity on an old laptop.
No, but an SSD really does make the computer a lot faster, no matter the OS.
Considering that Linux existed long before SSDs did...
I first installed Linux in 1993......
It can even run diskless just over the network. Like Ubuntu diskless booting.
@xcutie this is ubuntu. Is it the same with MX fluxbox ?
No clue. I have never done this.
You can run some distros from a 2gb USB stick. Not sure what these guys are talking about th.
I verify this, some years ago when my laptop's hard drive died, I installed Ubuntu Linux from a USB drive (with a live image on it) to a USB drive. It took a while for it to boot but it worked and I used it as my main machine for a couple of months.
But beyond that, there are Linux distros made specifically for running off of external media, Puppy Linux is an example.
2GB is cutting it short. Not for Linux, that runs fine. But the modern internet doesn't, regardless of what browser you use.
2x2GB RAM shouldn't cost much, that's useless for AI.
Linux barely needs a CPU.
I'm joking, but if you loaded up a lightweight distro on that it'd probably be fine
Explaining Computers did a video about running various Linuxes on various low performance machines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGf8zVt3MI
As someone who is running a ancient compaq laptop, with 4gb of ram, Debian 13, I can say that it works just fine. Cant do gaming etc with it, but all I do with this is use the browser, IRC and watch a racing stream every weekend. Works perfectly fine with those.
@HuudaHarkiten thanks for this link. Today afternoon, l discovered that the display is not working. Any ideas on how l work with this laptop ?
If it has a video-out port, like a HDMI, plug that in and use a external monitor or TV. Other than that, open it up and check that the monitor connection is plugged in and not broken.
For future inquiries about problems with your machinery, please include the make and model in your question. It is impossible to give tech support if people have to guess which machine you are using.
Linux can easily be run on your 500 MB HDD, it can also be run from an USB stick or even a DVD.
Linux can even run on the original Raspberry Pi, a single board computer with only 512 MB RAM!
You should probably look for a distro that is made for older systems, but if you do that, it should work very well. There are obviously limitations with only 2GB RAM. So I wouldn't use a resource heavy desktop like KDE/Plasma.
@Buffalox Hello my Danish Friend !
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The low ram is a problem but why not just try it? Its free
You can still run a modern Linux from a floppy disk. Run it from a USB drive or a HDD, they are cheap.
No, it is not true
There are versions of Linux that don't need any internal storage at all, eg. Puppy.
Puppylinux is the first thing that comes to mind.
Then pxe boot + nfs root
you can actually run it on ram and not disk (see tinycore linux) and have the system faster than even an ssd
It's a laptop so the battery will keep the RAM powered. Very clever and practical, especially for files so confidential you only have one copy − data burglars will be looking for disks. /s
An SSD will improve responsiveness, but it's not strictly necessary. Linux is less HDD/SSD sensitive than Windows, but the difference is still there.
However 2GB is really pushing your limits. You'll get to desktop, but you'll struggle to get a web browser happy with that. If you want to make a headless server out of it, however, that's a perfectly fine amount.
That tech has the same teacher that says Americans only shit once a week. https://startrek.website/post/39583672
Even windows 10 will run on 2 gig of ram and hdd.
That sounds profoundly unpleasant basically OS bdsm
I had a VM with that specs, win10 dialed down its ram usage to 1.4g. It took 3 mins to boot and another min to load chrome but was operable after that. Heck even 256m was enough to boot, but certainly not to install.
the thing about linux is it depends what you put on it. there are lightweight distros. that being said if you can put an ssd in something do it as nothing outside of more ram when you are maxing it improves it as much as an ssd. I mean im sure if you go back far enough in cpu the drive may no longer be the bottleneck.
If you don't plan to do heavy internet browsing, an HDD is good enough for a light distro. But an SSD will definitely improve the experience.
Regarding RAM, this is a tough one. If you use the right DE + terminal app combo, 2 GB should be good.
You don't even need an ssd or hdd. The ram will hurt more.
I my Raspberry PI got Linux running on an SD card. Thats not SSD either, is it?
Is drive? Is solid state?
sd is ssd
Darn
I mean, kinda
Linux runs on toasters and light bulbs, literally. You can run it on whatever, depending on your use-case.
In system requirements, windows vs any normal linux distro isn't even contest. That said, 2 gb is very little. You're gonna have to find a lightweight distro meant for old hardware.
You can run Linux just fine from 2GB and a HDD, but expect it to be slower. Modern web browsers alone require that much RAM.
@jenesaisquoi l'd be working on lynx basically.
Firefox should be ok, if you don't open many tabs nor very complex webapps
it will work, you will just feel more pain from not having enough memory. Try something like AntiX or Puppy Linux. Not sure what you can do with 2GB nowadays though. Having more memory is more important than having a fast disk. How much is DRR2/3 for you?
Just download a minimal build for a distro. Include a window manager instead of a desktop environment. It will have some problems running browsers and other biggish apps but still be usable.
@Sanctus something like fluxbox ?
I've never used it so I can't recommend. I can recommend like an arch minimal build or a Debian headless build to start with, both of these builds will drop you into just a command line at first unless you add extra packages. My laptop is setup as arch minimal + i3wm, obviously Idk if this fits your needs, maybe minix or something would be better.
@Sanctus what is minix ?
Oh, oof, I am showing my age there I dont know if MINIX is maintained anymore. It was a lightweight education distro. Now you probably want to go with a minimal Debian build. I'm pretty sure their installer let's you pick this setup but not 100% I may be confusing it with arch install.
No*
*: Distro dependent. A modern desktop distro might require slightly less than a modern build. But no matter what hardware you have, there are didtros that can run on it.
It'll work, but modern apps might be slow as fuck with how they call for data to be loaded from storage if you're using a hard drive. Though I kinda doubt this is a huge problem in programs other than video games.
But also: You ca run Linux from a thumb drive or CD and not even have a storage device at all in the PC.
I'd recommend tinycore for this computer since it's ram is so limited
This depends a lot more on what you plan on doing once the OS boots. I accidentally loaded Win11 on an HDD (disk 0 was HDD, not SSD) for a few hours. It was noticeably slow, but it ran my diagnostics utilities well enough.
If you're using it for light web browsing, basic office software, etc, then it might be fine.
But something else caught my attention - you inquired about "restoring" it at shops, meaning you intend to pay money. SSD and RAM are obviously what anyone would upgrade, and you're balking at it. More to the point, you expect to run Linux, but didn't even install it as-is to test it out?
There's some missing context here. Also, 2gb laptops haven't been a thing in a very long time. You might very well get a better deal by just buying a used newer model that already has what you're looking for.
I "inherited" my sons netbook, which had 32GB flash, because Windows plus Office wasted 27GB and then wanted to download an 8GB update. I installed Kubuntu with LibreOffice and a number of other packages I needed for the project, and was way below 5GB used.
TL;DR : Just install try the live ISO of one of these :
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/(click the one that says LXQt or XFCE)
https://lubuntu.me/(this OS is specifically aimed at beginners)
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/lxqt/
Let me answer your problem.
The techinician you are relying on is presenting you with a typical use case. When you say "linux" there are several variants for different reasons. If you want to run a modern user interface like KDE or Gnome on a specialised version of linux for gaming that comes with a heavy install, like Bazzite, and do things like stream videos on your browser while having various internet tabs open, 2gb Ram might struggle, but it also might not.
There are specifically lightweight linux variants that you can use with user interfaces that are trying to be lighter. I can't find the system requirements for LXqt, but some AI will say it is 512mb of ram. Either way, if you download a live ISO , put it on a flash disk and try it out (not install it) you can see how it performs in your system without losing any data or having any problems... unless you do something funky like install it or mess around with just yanking out the USB you put the ISO onto.
Here are some official sources for versions of linux that use LXQt. I have never tried it, but I have a shitty laptop with similar specs, and I run XFCE which is a similar approach, and it does fine, even when watching videos online.
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/(click the one that says LXQt or XFCE)
https://lubuntu.me/(this OS is specifically aimed at beginners)
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/lxqt/
The ones I have linked you to, Debian and Fedora , are mainstream, regular, basic versions of linux that should not be overbearing. There are many, many many variants that do various things to make themselves even more efficient, and you can feel free to dig further. Ubuntu might have a bit more stuff "bundled in" to make it easier for you to get familiarised with linux. What I 100% recommend is that you try them out on "Live ISO" versions first, so you can get a feel for if you are interested in proceeding or not.
If you want more information, you can check out this video that shows variations on linux on 3 levels of hardware, and action retro shows alternative operating systems on "retro" computers, which might help you choose a version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGf8zVt3MI
https://www.youtube.com/@ActionRetro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhL1s9kd1Fo
EDIT : My "heavy" linux is Debian with KDE. I am happy with it on 8gb ram. My "shitty" linux is LMDE (linux mint debian edition), which came with gnome, and I ripped that out and installed XFCE to make it run better. I DO NOT RECOMMEND A NEWER PERSON TRY THIS UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO LOSE ALL DATA OR REINSTALL A FRESH OS ON THAT MACHINE.
@Skullgrid thanks for that detailed reply. This is debian. But I'm thinking of MX fluxbox, not xfce. Actually l would love evilwm, but since I'm totally new to Linux, l'd stick to fluxbox. I wish to run proxmox on this system.
And yes, l don't wish to add anything to the machine's native capacity.
Do you suppose these may work out ?
It seems like you did lots of research, I'm sure things will work out.
No.
I can run antiX on my old Dell Inspiron, with 4 GB RAM and a 500 GB HDD. It's slow when it comes to browsing but it's functional.
wat? Linux can almost run on a can opener.
Mx Linux or base arch with a lightweight desktop environment will work fine.
@zewm you work on MX Linux ? I'm thinking of fluxbox.
Nah I use CachyOS but mx is meant for crappy hardware iirc. It uses the lighter XFCE environment and uses Debian stable as the foundation. Good for like Windows XP era hardware.
There are live distros that run directly from thumb drives.
Many distros run this way for their installer (e.G. Mint).
So it really depends on what you're trying to do.
My main machine still runs Linux off a HDD and it's doing perfectly fine.
with 2gb ram, linux might work, actually. i'd go for 'lightweight distros'. but firefox has become hungry ...
@phr l'd be working on lynx.
You do need some form of storage drive, like a modern m.2 or an old platter HDD, for example, because you do need to read and write somewhere.
Having said that, Linux runs on super computers and ancient potatoes, Linux prettyuch could run on anything
The general understanding is that if you can interface a keyboard and display with a russet potato, you can boot and run Linux on it, and run stable.