I LOVE Saints Row IV! It's my favorite of the entire franchise. Yes, it's extra campy and over-the-top, but that just makes it more enjoyable.

Probably my favorite mission of Saints Row III was where you took an experimental drug and it gave you super-speed for a little while, so you could sprint across the city faster than if you were driving a car.

Saints Row IV just gives that to you as a permanent upgrade at some point. You don't need cars later in the game, you can just run ridiculously fast and leap skyscrapers in a single bound.

I can't remember if you can fly too, but I wanna say you can. It's been quite a long time since I played that game.

I had so much fun in Saints Row IV, most of my playtime is just running all over the map and dicking around with NPCs once I was too OP for them to do anything to me. It's hard for me to go back to the other games after that.

Underneath the silliness, SR4 had a good story and great performances. I remember tearing up a bit during the car segment of the final mission.

It is one of the few open-world sidequestapaloozas I have ever beaten because the story and insanity kept me coming back.

Legitimately, SR4 was my introduction to the series and I absolutely adored the shit out of it.

If you haven’t checked it out yet - The Gat Out of Hell expansion had a very similar super-powered play-style.

I'm a bit late to the party but dude! It's like one of my all time favorite games. It's unapologetically aware of how ridiculous it is, my favorite parts are the dialogues in the Enter the Dominatrix DLC. JB Blanc as Zyniak is one of the best over the top villain in video games IMHO, you can just hear he and the whole cast were having so much fun.

For a long time, SRIV was probably the best superhero game around.

Definitely not alone! It was the first one I played, and I had some genuine laugh out loud moments in the intro alone. Flawed but so much fun.

Got to love it just for a giant robot fight to The Touch, or Roddy Piper fighting Keith David. Or the Biz Markie singalong.

I think 2 was the pinnacle and a spiritual successor to Vice City, but 4 has its moments.

Starfield is one of the best frameworks for a game I have ever played, I just really really wish they had remembered to put an actual game inside it

I have been meaning to go back and give it another chance. I played it on launch and got to some place like 30 minutes in that they clearly wanted to be some big "ooo, ahh" moment but I just felt bored. I shut it off and never played again. I do enjoy Bethesda games though so it's possible I would like it if I pushed through.

I really enjoyed my first playthrough. Never felt the need to play again, but I got a solid 65 ish hours in and enjoyed it the whole time. I haven’t played it for a while now, maybe I should do another playthrough.

I like Starfield, but the game sure tries to make me hate it with the amount of annoyances packed into it.

• Dialogue, almost exclusively meant a railroad of one singular outcome not matter what you picked, or consisted of dialogue options that didnt correctly communicate the degree of emotion that would be applied to it. So often I would either say "I dont want to pick any of these options," but I was forced to stay in the conversation, or "the character didnt say that how I expected them to and now I want to say something else," but that usually looped back to the first complaint.

• Ship customization is awesome. Not enough parts or tweakability.

• So many ugly characters and armor suit designs. Ugly characters comes down probably to rendering, maybe its lighting or something but man so many characters in the game are just ugly looking. And the armor designs are worse, because the lighting on them is actually fine but the designs are just atrocious. When I first heard "NASA-punk" as an aesthetic, I expected designs based on NASAesque objects. You know, whites, gold foil, utilitarian. Not whatever ended up in the game.

• Ship flight. I love Elite Dangerous, and even Star Citizen. Too games with space flight models that already exist and allow the player to seamlessly fly between planetary atmosphere and space. There is no reason the Creation engine couldnt have this functionality added. Even if its a cloud covered load screen like No Mans Sky had.

I think a big problem with the game is the NASA-Punk aesthetic, honestly. If they had just gone through with their likely original plans of a Star Wars or Alien esque design board, most people probably wouldnt hate it as much. Most people coming into the game expect Star Wars Skyrim, Bethesda probably should have just made that. Heck, I would have even liked if it was closer to Star Trek, too. But its simultaneously both and neither at the same time.

I like it as well... The mix between all these different game genres is very interesting. Idea is great, execution is lacking a bit, but it is good that they tried... Just sad that it didn't work out so well... Hope they try again and improve on the concept.

I put a ton of time into starfield, still consider it one of my favorites. But I put it down and have tried to pick it back up a few times and just couldn’t get into it again.

One thing I thought would be a simple fix to add more interest to the game would have been to randomize the “play sets” you find on the planets. There are maybe a dozen different kinds of sites you can find on planets and I still remember the first time I wandered off the storyline and found some pirates in a base. It was fun and exciting. But the 50th time you enter the same identical base with the exact same floor plan, exact same enemy placement, etc, it gets boring.

I thought it would be easy for them to make some building segments that could be mixed and matched procedurally to make new base designs. Even if the segments were kinda chunky, entire floors, you could still get a lot of different layout combinations with a handful of each. Even if you just had 3 floors in a base and 5 of each, that’s 5 X 5 X 5 = 125 different combinations.

Sure you’d still know every floor, but it would make exploring the little side play sets more interesting and rewarding.

I still think though that the first time I had a zero-G gunfight on the casino ship was one of the most fun gaming sessions I’ve had.

I liked it too. At least I didn’t hate it as much as everyone else. It’s not a perfect game but whatever I still had fun.

Same! Played around 500 hours when ut first released. Haven't played any of the DLC, definitely replaying from scratch with those sometime soon.

The setting is by far the weakest point, imo. 300 years in the future and instant communication seems exclusive for ship-to-ship. People on the floor don't have phones, radios, nothing. The two major faction cities are 300m² blocks in the middle of fucking nowhere. "A big war happened some time ago" - over one of the most stupid reasons about where to settle and that did fuck all, with random settlements around random worlds pledging allegiance to no one anyway.

There's also the general disregard of npcs to anything going on around them. If you shoot up in the air while the city, people will just stare blankly at you. Same if you use space magic. "Don't go around showing it off" - pfft.

Not to mention that they managed to make the most boring multiverse in fiction, which is much closer to a groundhog day time-repetition if you look into it.

Legitimately it's amazing. I love it.

I was just about to say this too!! Seriously so good. The gameplay is an understandable turnoff, personally I love it but RPG NBA Jam probably won't do it for everyone. but WOW the story is incredible. The personal stakes of each liberation rite make each feel like a must-win; the fact that the story continues if you lose makes it all the more nerve-wracking.

And that's not even considering the revolutionary bent of the whole thing, too, or the beautifully realized world with deeply strange history, or one of the best goddamn soundtracks I've ever heard... deserves some more love as a cult classic imo.

I’m a fan of most of Supergiant’s work but Pyre just felt so boring and repetitive to me

Pyre was really unique and fun! I‘m not sure if it‘s something people actually dislike, though. It‘s more so that nobody knows about it, I think.

I also liked Watch Dogs, I enjoyed the darker tone and it's more serious setting. Good game play, story was good enough, a bit janky with some optimization issues. But overall it was good.

I don't think I really cared about the downgrade either. But it really was around when my trust in what Devs and publishers were saying about their games was the lowest. So many games were bullshots and rendered trailers so you took the idea and if it was interesting you just waited to see the actual product.

Cyberpunk was also my game of the year, I had immense fun with the launch version and I was lucky enough to have minimal bugs and most were dumb shit. I think I had 2 which were gameplay and caused issues. It launched in a terrible state and I expect it as well, CDPR don't have a great history of releasing bug free games. But, they do have a history of patching and fixing the broken bits. It also should not have been anywhere near the old gen consoles, that was stupid.

I liked Watch Dogs 1 mainly because I didn’t consume any pre-release media about it. Whatever downgrade there may have been, I was unaffected.

My game in this vein was Spore. I enjoyed it for what it was, not having seen any of the pre-release hype and changes.

I adored Watch Dogs 2 because, in an era discovering “partial multiplayer”, in the case of Dark Souls, WD2 really refined that formula, even if it didn’t quite nail the rest the way people wanted. You would be randomly driving around and get an option to disrupt or assist someone else’s singleplayer game, without any loading screens.

I also admit I enjoy the way they promote stealth by making it the main way to keep things nonlethal, and stop bullets from flying. The series has an interesting bit of guidance against violent escalation; don’t escalate to guns against bad guys, and they likely won’t do the same to you. And thanks to all the hacker tools, an enemy that brings heavy artillery and turrets to a fist fight may find themselves facing their own weapons.

Here in coming with a super unpopular take. I was a day one purchaser of cyberpunk 2077, and even on a $30 rebuilt ps4 slim I had almost no issues. My first playthrough had one fixer mission that was bugged that kept me from completing that one side mission, and that's it. No t posing, and maybe 2-3 crashes over 30-40 hours.

There are tens of us! Tens!

I loved prototype so much. I couldn't wait for the sequel. I felt like firever until it came out. Like i moved twice or something. And when it finally came out, i couldn't wait to play it, but kinda didn't care anymore. I still don't know if prototype was a let down, or i just stopped caring.

How is Terranigma mentioned here? It's one of the most beloved Action Adventure RPGs on the system and to my knowledge, most people who have played it liked it. I also had the game back then, purchased it randomly because Lufia 2 wasn't released yet (in Germany). Honestly, I think Terranigma is one of those universally loved games, never heard anyone disliking it.

I love the movement etc. in Prototype 2! 100%ed it more than once, it's just too fun. Surely we'll get the sequel any day now 🥲

If you like Prototype and JRPGs you should check out Forspoken, which would be my pick for this thread. The bad reviews and memes were just gamergate bullshit. Despite its flaws, it's the ultimate wizard power fantasy, with movement and combat that to me felt like a refined and even more fun/complete version of what we got from games like Prototype, Crackdown and Saints Row 4. Once you begin unlocking multiple magic types and get into the flow of switching them around on the fly it really provides some of the best and most satisfying gameplay I remember in my 30+ years of gaming.

Honestly, it was my favorite SW game I ever played. Yes, better even than KotR. I felt like I was IN the Star wars universe. Not as a mystical space wizard, but just like... A person. And I loved every second of it. The world felt so alive, especially the cities. There were so many small elements that didn't need to be there but I appreciated nonetheless, like the street food mini game. Did I need a weird QuickTime event mini game to eat food? No. Did I enjoy the fact that you would get served a big dish of alien cuisine and then actually get to see your character eat it? Like bite-by-bite and could watch it disappear with incredible detail? Sure! There's a lot of points like that where you can see a lot of love and passion for the game shine through.

It makes me so sad to hear how poorly received the game was. Coming on the heels of Andor, it felt like it was supposed to be a big push in trying to move the SW franchise away from the constant Jedi/Sith space wizard conflict and focus more on the universe itself. Hell, even the rebellion/empire conflict took a back seat in favor of exploring the criminal underworld. I would LOVE more of that (and yes I know about the Maul show and have been enjoying it, but it too leans heavy on the space wizards).

Launching in a workable state is criminally underated by publishers. A bad game can eventually be patched after launch, sure, but a botched first impression takes decades to switch in the public eye. Look at cyberpunk and witcher games. Beloved after decades of bug fixes, but not everyone has the good will of CD projekt red to burn through. A bad first impression can turn a good if unimaginative game into "that ugly game that was broken at launch" forever. And let's be real, 90% of a game's lifetime profit comes during the launch window.

I’m surprised how much hate it got. I can barely think of any Star Wars games that give you a ship, full planet travel ability, and open world within those locations, letting you experience the vibe of Star Wars environments. Even if the fights were lack luster, that’s pretty impressive.

Some games come close, but prioritize fights (so Cal only sees a quarantined part of Coruscant filled with stormtroopers) or MMORPG design.

This game is really good. I enjoyed the hell out of it and wish we’d get more Star Wars about being a regular person in the world.

I played this on PS5 at launch, and while I maybe hit a few bugs through the whole game, nothing was game-breaking for me. Maybe I got lucky, who knows.

But I also really enjoyed the game. I'm sad we probably won't see these characters again any time soon.

There wasn’t really much of anything broken at launch. The updates added a couple of QOL changes but the gameplay was much the same. The „insta-fail“ stealth sections were trivial, not really instantly failable and low consequence but I get that the broader market doesn’t really want stealth games with any real consequences (there were similar complaints with a trivial stealth section in FFXIV).

What? Who didn't like Unreal? It was groundbreaking, a milestone of its time. In my area and peergroup, everybody loved it.

I have very vivid memories of my brother purchasing a new graphics card, installing it and running this game. He hyped it up so much. The intro cinematic blew our minds. The game even more so.

To think I blindly bought it at a convention... I still have the amazing box it came in.

Yes! I don’t love the RE games ( just not my type of game) but I loved RE5 when playing with a friend

Gimme an egg!

5 and 6 are top notch couch co-op games. I think the only people that hate them are ones that tried to play them solo

It's my favourite one actually.

It was unforgettable the way it released but it would've been even better if the devs had more time to complete the whole story. We didn't get enough of Laguna because of it.

I thought 8 was good. It came out at a time in my life when grinding for spells to boost stats wasn't offensive to me.

Never went back and replayed it. It's in the uncanny valley of instead of using blobby, well designed yet simple graphics it was trying to look good realistically but not quite nailing it, and the controls are clunky.

Wouldn't say I loved it but it came after 7 and I mean, huge shoes to fill. But I did NOT like 9 at all so I still remember it as good, all things considered.

I enjoyed the game but it frankly proved that motion controls create a constant hindrance to smooth play sessions.

I never want to recalibrate my controller when I’m playing. I want to play and not be the console’s tech support.

Riding in that boat in the desert and being in that "time bubble" where there was only water around you is still one of the coolest things Zelda has done, I think. And the music in that spot was very good.

Of all the things in that game, I remember that area the most.

Despite being an old guy who was around for the original Zelda game, Skyward Sword was actually the first Zelda game I ever sat down and seriously played. I really enjoyed it!

And as a completionist, I appreciated that it's canonically the first game in the franchise. It gave me a foundation for the lore of the series, so I have a better understanding of every other Zelda game I've played since.

If there's anything I didn't like about it, it was that there was a borderline romance subtext going on between Link and Zelda at the beginning of the game, which doesn't ever go anywhere. I half expected them to fall in love by the end, but they kept it strictly platonic once the plot started rolling. I learned later that that's pretty much par for the course in Zelda games. Link is always the protector, not a love interest.

Oh, I'll piggyback on this one and say: Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass.

I feel like I'm the only person who didn't struggle with the touch controls at all, and I love both games dearly.

Maybe Switch 2 would be the perfect time to remake them, so you can use mouse controls to write on the map and stuff. 🤔

I didn't play Skyward Sword on release, but I did play the Switch remake a few years ago and had a blast. With full motion controls

I like that one too and never really got the hate. The bosses made good use of the motion control upgrade and the final boss sequence might be my favorite of any Zelda game.

Oni was awesome but I will not take this Marathon slander sitting down!

I loved that game. Hello brother.

The first and second are great, obviously. But Curse is also my favourite. The animation style holds up so well, you get some good insult sword fighting and it introduced Murray!

I didn't know Ron Gilbert disowned it. He's as repulsive as a monkey in a negligee.

"What rhymes with orange...?"

"uhh....door hinge?"

I still think about this sometimes.

I never played the originals so this one was my childhood. I don’t envy writers having to start from the nonsensical end of MI2, but they did their best handwave; I didn’t even mind having not known it.

There's a good hbomberguy video that agrees with you.

I also liked Dark Souls 2 but sadly never finished it as I lost my save because it didn't support Steam Cloud and I didn't have the energy to start over.

There are two different Dark Souls IIs: one where you don't know that adaptability gives you iframes, and one where you do.

I fear the main reason many people don't like it is because they were playing the first one.

Bad Mr Frosty!

Played it at a friend's sleepover. Some years later, I bought the N64 version from a Blockbuster for like $5 used and we played that a bunch too. I remember riding my frioend's pegs on the way home. We got our other friend (at whose house we usually played Twisted Metal on PS1) and went to my house to take turns trying out all the characters. Great game, lots of funny lines and fun arenas.

I can only assume anyone who doesn't like it hasn't played it. It's a platformer racing game, which is rare, but excellent.

Holy shit, I remember my friend renting this game and we really enjoyed it. Cool to now know why we weren't able to find it later.

Didn't know it was a rare game. I played this game so much as a kid and I still own it. Such a great game.

Uniracers is awesome! Truly a unique game for how it plays. The track color code system is very well implemented, and once you get good at the game you feel like Cypher reading the Matrix code directly. Great music that still pops in my head. I think it fits this category because the design is kind of bizarre and I'm sure it didn't click with everyone.

The lawsuit is just tragic because it'll never be rereleased/remastered, and would be awesome on NSO.

That is an opinion.

OP's specs, for context: El Capitan; Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; Livermore, CA, USA.

It sounds terrible. I'm glad you liked it

I’ve tried to play these games, but I think I got caught up in:

• The upgrade systems requiring materials located god knows where
• The combat involving no interesting decisions, just a spam of the strongest attacks
• Low drop chances resulting in a lot of grinding

I can even be okay with an RPG if the combat is a curb stomp and you play for the story; but in Neptunia’s case it actually got in the way.

I looked at the trailer on Metacritic, and jesus those costumes and poses of the underage-looking girls are really uncomfortable to watch

I can't tell you how many times I payed that final Terran level where you built the base. I never did get to play it multiplayer.

It was an excellent game.

+1 for Secret of Mana. Awesome game.

I loved the original RF but couldn't get into any of the sequels. I tried, I really wanted to like them, but they always ended up not quite scratching the itch and I'd just uninstall and replay the first.

I adored Red Faction: Guerrilla! I just loved the world, the destruction, and even the multiplayer was great fun. It's an excellent sandbox.

Secret of Mana for the SNES

I definitely played through that a few times, but in retrospect standing around and holding the attack button for like 10-15 seconds to charge your weapon was perhaps not the most fun mechanic.

Depends on how long you waited for it and what expectations you had. "They demonstrated the first Duke Nukem Forever trailer at the E3 convention in May 1998"... and reading in Wikipedia to look this up, I just by accident saw there was/is a Doctor Who themed DLC! Wow I think I need to get into it again (never finished it however).

soulmate. I liked it as well. Of course it wasn't groundbreaking, like Duke3D was, but it was fun. And it made fun of itself - I like that trait.

NES 2 or SNES 2, which was actually 4?

I enjoyed it on GBA

FF2-NES, suffered from comparisons to the first FF. I personally think that's an unfair comparison, though I will admit that visually the two games share a lot. That's kinda where the comparison ends though. The gameplay was a considerable improvement, just allowing your characters to retarget on the fly was a huge improvement.

The other complaint I have heard is that it's grindy, and that one is completely fair.

If you haven't yet: Check out Sleeping Dogs. I think it'll scratch the itch for a True Crime game. I think I recently saw it on sale for $3.

The True Crime games are great, and just in case you're not aware, Sleeping Dogs is a spiritual successor.

I've tried NMS like three or four times at this point, at launch and a few months ago notably. It's never clicked with me. I think it's made for someone who likes the imagery of a space sim but hasn't played one. I've played too many space sims that the fairly constrained and bland interactions of NMS don't do anything for me.

For example, you aren't really flying your ship. Your somewhat pointing it where you want it to go, but you can't crash, so what's even the point? If you can't fail an interaction, there's no input the user can give that's wrong, so why should the user even care?

Ironically, I made a comment about Stationeers on here. It's basically the high-friction version of NMS (without flying around and traveling to different planets). It's about base building and resource acquisition, but you can fail, and you have to deal with your environment.

It plays a lot better just mechanically, but the story and dialogue are hot garbage and it (not uniquely when it comes to the 3D Fallouts) lacks the edge of the originals. Also the settlement stuff is half baked and tacked on. I've probably gotten more playtime out of FO4 just because the combat is so much better than all the others, and settlement mods help make that part of the game much more compelling.

I really enjoy Fallout 4. It's got problems but I think Bethesda did a good job taking the honestly kinda bad Fallout 3 and turning it into a far better Bethesda open world.

Fallout 3 is too tied to the Fallout IP in ways that are detrimental. They keep a lot of the Fallout style RPG elements but... Do so in a way that is really bad as a fallout rpg and doesn't make for an interesting Bethesda open world. So it ends up being kinda just bad.

Fallout 4 takes the game in its own direction and really improves on the gameplay itself. Exploring, looting, crafting, and building, all work really well together and make a just really fun game to play around in.

Most of its flaws come from once again, being too tied to the fallout IP. Significantly less so than 3 though. Also I don't mean that if they just renamed it, it'd be better. If it wasn't a fallout game, and wasn't trying to keep a lot of the design and baggage that series has, it probably could've been far better.

New vegas is a better mesh of classic fallout CRPG with the Bethesda style. Fallout 4 is a really damn good open world sandbox.

FO4 is far from unpopular. Yes, people have complaints about it, but it's pretty universally enjoyed. It just could be so much better.

I really want to downvote you because Stuntman....fucking......sucked!

But I upvoted you because it is certainly in alignment with the post!

people hated stuntman? i LOVED stuntman ignition as a kid, and the getting close to objects to increase score mechanic actually ruined how i walk because i just do that now, to this day

I certainly wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but It was fun as hell and I was really bummed when their overhaul bid was shot down by EA.

Have my upvote good sir/ma'am

I played the beta. I was tired of it before I finished, and I really wanted to like it. It looked great, and the traversal was a cool idea. It was just boring. There was almost no reason to do anything. It's the same reason I hate the open worlds of Warframe. It's cool that they did it, but it doesn't actually benefit the gameplay loop. It just makes it take extra time to do the thing you want to do.

https://xkcd.com/2184/

It's a game that you liked that most people didn't, Sleeping Dogs was very well received so I don't think it qualifies.

Didn't most people that played it like it? I thought it was mostly a marketing failure.

Personally I didn't love it but it was a solid enough like 7-7.5/10 GTA clone to turn your brain off and enjoy if you're in the mood for that kind of thing.

I came to post this. So there's two of us at least.

I loved MoP and WoD. I had played WoW since vanilla. I did a some raiding during vanilla, but just didn’t have the time. So i was a filthy casual and it was great. I played vanilla for a while and then quit. That was the pattern I did with each expansion until MoP. When MoP was released my kid was in the 11th grade and my work had changed so I had more free time. I started raiding in MoP and continued that into WoD.

I loved those two expansions.

I agree with most that garrisons were ultimately detrimental to the game, but they were goddamn goldmines. WoW tokens were introduced in the same xpac, and I was making enough gold via garrisons to pay for over a year of game time, plus Destiny 2 and Diablo 3 DLC.

I quit in Cataclysm and hopped back in for WoD. The garrisons were a great concept and I enjoyed sending expeditions. But I just didn't have the time for WoW anymore and my community was gone, so I only played a month.

Totally agree. It has a LOT of problems obviously. But what an ambitious game for the time, even if it's collectathony as heck.

So many levels, characters, skills. Why, I dare say it's a perfect randomizer game ;)

I love the game, but hate the part where they make you play through the original arcade Donkey Kong on a single life to get a Golden Banana. Then they had the audacity to make you do it again for the Nintendo Coin.

Oh, that's a good one! I've always liked it as much as Rare's other collect-a-thons. I didn't know until years later that it got so much hate.

Is Avatar basically Far Cry 7? I never played it but wasn’t sure how fun it would feel to throw little wooden spears at giant armored mechs.

I think the follow up question to your adoration of these two games is: how many Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, or recent Ghost Recon games have you played?

It saddens me that they killed the game, at least on PC. Would have been a great LAN party game with their 4v1 mode.

Wait, what? Who doesn't like Salt and Sanctuary? One of my favorite games of all time.

People didn't like it? It was great.

And also SMTV

It's still a great game - it has a whole bunch of issues, but a fraction of the online community is making it look like playing it will burn your house down and frame you for the assassination of JFK.

Too damn real. XD

I played Lawbreakers back then, and it was neither too much like Overwatch nor representative of the arena shooters that came before it; there wasn't a plethora of characters to choose from like the former, and there wasn't an even playing field with power weapons to fight for control over like the latter. The thing that baffled me about the game was its objectives design. There's a capture the flag mode where the flag is a battery, but due to the way you have to charge it first, it renders the entire match pointless except for where the battery is when it reaches 100% charge. There's a point capture/domination game mode where the capture points stop and start for minutes at a time, and I don't understand the point of that either.

I was never enthused about the game, but I definitely hated how investors wanted every game to be a mega-hit, and anything else meant it needed to be deleted. It’d be far more healthy to leave it running on life support and see if the community ever has it bounce back.

I think the hate was in the true end being locked behind DLC. I loved the game but could never finish it because the server to buy the DLC was down by then.

The dogs always stressed me out, but I remember beating it several times. Excellent choice.

Played so much of this as a kid, one of my favorites. Tried it again recently and it didn't hold up as well but I'll always love this game

Secret World was so fucking amazing at launch, then got absolutely ruined when it was turned into Legends. It is the one game that actually makes me mourn its passing

I think John Romero's Daikatana had a lot of amazing ideas that just couldn't be realized in the final release of the game due to circumstances during its development.

It is objectively a bad game, one of the worst actually, but I sure do see a lot of potential in it.

So you're Romero's little bitch?

I always felt it's multiplayer was great but the single player was awful.

I'm not a racing game person but I love this one. You can just run around doing stupid stuff. I find that very liberating.

Paradise is a crappy shadow of the older ones. I will agree that Burnout was a neat series, but it wasn't so much of a racing game, as it was a physics simulator that allowed you to crash cars.

I unironically loved PSU as well. I just had the worst GPU ever at the time and couldn't play it even at the lowest CPU settings.

I'm glad some group of people are working on trying to reverse engineer the server side components to get it working again.

I suppose it may depend on what circles you're talking about them in, because that series is one of the top recommendations for metroidvanias. They've sold over 15 million copies.

I’d argue that this is akin to new anime fans calling the old great series like Full Metal Alchemist “obscure”. They were huge when they came out, but new fans largely haven’t watched the old greats. That doesn’t mean they were unpopular. It just means the new generation hasn’t found them yet, because the current stuff is enough to keep them occupied.

Ori was huge among metroidvania fans when it landed. But nowadays, players have largely moved on. That doesn’t diminish the old games, it just means new players haven’t bothered digging through old games.

My “nobody has heard of it” game is Legend of Legaia. It was a small JRPG that launched in the golden age of PS1 JRPGs. It was completely overshadowed by other bigger names like FF7, Legend of Dragoon, etc… When I first played it, it was so obscure it didn’t even have a page on GameFAQs. To be clear, it wasn’t just missing any FAQs… It was missing the entire game landing page. It literally wasn’t listed on the site at all.

The game was turn based (like most JRPGs at the time) but had a unique combo-based system where you laid out attacks for your characters to do, and they would change into more powerful Arts if you used the right attack combinations.

Nowadays, it has a pretty dedicated cult classic following. But at the time, it was basically as obscure as a game could get.

Who the heck didn't like that?

The first one is 83% positive on Steam, second one 92% positive. Who's "most people" here?

I keep hearing about the combat "clicking". I played 1 and am mostly done with 2 and it's still never "clicked". I think the combat is awful and severely degrades the quality of the game and I'm kind of shocked they didn't put more work into making it more accessible to more players, especially in the second game after all the players complaining about it in the first.

I've done the same thing with 2 that I did with 1. Mod the everloving shit out of it until I got it to a state that I could actually enjoy it. Without the mods, other than the combat, I find the game extremely tedious in various other survival/crafting/stealth ways.

But the world is so unbelievably well made and realistic that I'm willing to do all this extra work just to play it and experience the locations, characters, and story. It's probably the most immersive gaming experience I've ever had outside of VR. Why the hell doesn't it have VR?

P.S. I think your downvoters are being too critical. You pointed out something that many, many people, including myself, hate about the game. But I'd still give it a positive review, despite my issues with it, because the good parts are so good. I haven't liked and praised a game that also regularly pisses me off like Kingdom Come in a long time. So I think it fits on this post.

its definitely a game better suited for teens who dont have a job yet 😂