Is Tesla a threat to cyclists who run red lights?
16d 13h ago by lemmy.sdf.org/u/evenwicht in cycling@feddit.nlcross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/54045255
I have adopted the habit of ignoring red lights.
Rationale: If cars did not exist, cyclists would never have to stop. Every time I must stop at a traffic signal it is to cator for motorists who are mostly a self-serving detriment to public health and safety. #FuckCars.
I used to obey all the traffic rules but after coming to the realisation that much of my time is wasted and my journey is downgraded so copious lazy people can exploit a luxury (some demographics aside). Fuck that. I now run red lights like crazy.
Now I must consider that Tesla may fuck up my lifestyle because Tesla is a moving point of unchecked uncontrolled surveillance. Theoretically, Tesla could be grabbing the faces of cyclists. It could offer to report cyclists who run reds. It could sell that info to law enforcement. Am I overthinking this or is this a problem to watch out for?
OTOH, I am somewhat looking forward to a day when I can spot when a car is self-driving and (if I can ever gain confidence that they won’t mistake me for a tumbleweed) I would happily take liberties -- to cut-off the car and force it to slow down and give way. I hope that tactic can go from dream world to real world.
Please do mankind a favour and continue ignoring red lights. Regards, Ch. Darwin.
Even if there were no cars, you’d need red lights to prevent you colliding with people just like you…
Nonsense. Every single red light in my daily journies could be eliminated if cyclists were not sharing the road with 100s of 1000s of cars bringing 1000s of kilos of glass and steel to the equation.
You may need less, but you couldn’t remove them. What about pedestrians trying to cross these streets you want to blaze along? What about bicyclists who need to merge, or perhaps are not as fast as you?
I used to live in Toronto, and have seen more than a few collisions where bicyclists think the “Idaho stop” is fine. Cars aren’t great, especially in cities, but roadways are a shared resource and the rules need to reflect that
What about pedestrians trying to cross these streets you want to blaze along?
Nothing changes for them. Pedestrians have the right of way on a crosswalk regardless of whether a signal is in play. It’s the cyclists responsibility to avoid the pedestrian which is generally a matter of cycling behind the pedestrian, sometimes slowing down a bit if needed.
What about bicyclists who need to merge, or perhaps are not as fast as you?
No need for stopping; just vary speed as needed.
So, same rules as cars, motorcycles, /etc…? It’s a nice idea, but in practice it just takes a few people not paying enough attention to make this fail, no matter how many wheels they have.
Laws of physics are not as easily ignored as laws of traffic.
My point exactly. Cyclists who are mindful of laws of physics but not traffic law could potentially get burnt by Tesla.
...get fucked by
Teslatheir own bad decisions.
Let’s not attribute surveillance harms and faults to victims of mass surveillance.
Privacy is about control and having autonomy. Both privacy and autonomy are human rights, which Tesla and other mass surveillance pushers encroach on. Worth noting that there exists a demographic of cyclists who cycle for the privacy it gives.
A personal quest to become road pizza is not the same as standing up to "Big Brother".
Of course it is, when “Big Brother” is going to block you from becoming “road pizza”.
Rare Tesla win?
Bikes would still have to stop for other bikes.
And pedestrians ....
lookup “traffic circles” and “roundabouts”.
Do you not yield to traffic in roundabouts??
Do you not yield to traffic in roundabouts??
Depends on if the traffic is cars or cycles as far as whether yielding requires a stop. Cars move a lot of mass very fast so I must stop if timing forces me to. And that’s frequent. Roundabout traffic in the form of cycles does not require stopping. I’ve seen it 1st hand at Critical Mass events. You only need to vary your speed, unless the round about is so clusterfucked with bikes that you need to stop, which is rare and would never be a realistic scenario outside of Critical Mass. But if it were, I would argue that the civil engineers fucked up.. that the roundabout is not proportioned for the capacity it needs to serve. Regardless, in the very worst of cases you never need to be stopped at a roundabout when there is no traffic. Stops also only last as long as necessary. They are not artificially imposed by the timing of a traffic light.
This is stupid.