Ah, healthcare!
15d 15h ago by piefed.social/u/PugJesus in politicalcompassmemes@piefed.social from media.piefed.social
I know it's a meme, but the constant demonizing of the bottom left as though it's as bad as the bottom right frustrates me.
Have any people been misdiagnosed and died before receiving care? Absolutely. And some people die in their homes because they had a brain thing no one knew about, regardless of system. But the bottom left, in most systems that have it, is based on triage, which means the vast majority of people likely to die are seen promptly and don't die, and most people who wait for a long time are in discomfort but don't die. And that can suck, to be sure! I don't want to be in discomfort, and I think we should increase spending to reduce the wait time for discomfort as well.
And like I said, some people are on an edge where something is misdiagnosed as discomfort that is actually much more serious, or they develop something more serious while waiting for the first thing to be dealt with, but framing "I had to wait in line before I received care" as being equal to "I was structurally prohibited from ever receiving care" is straight bullshit that keeps people trapped in worse system.
It's essentially the same argument as "we shouldn't tax the millionaires because some day I plan on winning a lottery and becoming one", but then you die poor because obviously.
The biggest problem with socialist healthcare is how it's been eroded by mercenary care alongside. Mercenary clinics steal providers from the good system, reduce the supply-side management effectiveness, and make it into a bad system; just so rich fucks can skip the line they help perpetuate.
Eliminate that and it's not yet perfect but it's a whole lot better.
I mean, I'd argue that even in the framing of the meme libleft is better than libright. Libleft says "If your issue is time-sensitive, you may be fucking screwed"; libright says "If you aren't rich, you're fucking screwed. Period."
In the same way that authright is very clearly the worst of the lot.
I could read that with my own biases, but the words say "you die in a 12 month queue". It maybe implies to you or I that they were in a queue based on need but there weren't enough doctors and due to this etc etc etc.
But what the compass is clearly stating is that you're dead in all quadrants, but in my very privileged experience there's a lot less dying in the bottom left than the other 3.
I feel like a lot of PCMemes show a general slant to libleft. It's just superior, even when it's shit.
Some of that is selection bias - I definitely skip over a LOT of horrific PCMs with... concerning ideas of what libleft entails.
I should have known someone sane was responsible for that
With libleft at least someone is getting healthcare at the end of the queue
Aha, but with capitalism, someone is also getting health care! And they're at the front of the line because they're obviously the most important! You know... because they have the most money...
You can also have both systems, UK does that and pretty sure a lot of Europe does too.
Theoretically so does the US, with Medicare/Medicaid... but more in theory than in practice, I think.
Top Left is Cuba under the embargo
Also the Soviet Union, not under embargo. And the rest of the Warsaw Pact. And pre-Dengist PRC.
The Soviet Union was also under an embargo.
The Soviet Union was also under an embargo.
... not until 1980, with the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. US-Soviet trade was vital to the Soviet economy. The Soviets received special trading concessions from the US, even.
So, not during the time when they were technologically and economically successful?
I mean, I don't know that they were ever all that economically successful, but yes, they were not under embargo in the mid-30s-70s.
Umm...OK....
Maybe compare their economy before the revolution with the 70s, look up the space race, or the history of jet airliners, and preferably use sources other than US media. They went from literally starving peasants to being on par with the west within 50 years.
Maybe compare their economy before the revolution with the 70s,
... have you ever considered comparing the economic growth of non-Soviet countries in similar positions to the Russian Empire in that same time period?
The result makes the Soviet Union seem very unimpressive, I'm afraid.
look up the space race, or the history of jet airliners, and preferably use sources other than US media.
I said "I don't know they were ever all that economically successful"; I refrained from commenting negatively on their technological success for a reason. For all the many issues I have with the Soviet Union, "did not invest in science and engineering" is not one of them.
They went from literally starving peasants to being on par with the west within 50 years.
That is not a serious examination of either the late Russian Empire or the 1970s Soviet Union.
how did you not get more likes? Thank you for your service.
When your country has a nice balance of lib left and lib right 😝🥰
Me, unmedicated for the past two months because of Glorious Capitalist American Health System of Pay2Wait:
Pretty sure the queue in the SocDem system is by severity and even low priority cases get treated fast. Usually get an appointment the week I call or, if it is important, same day.
I live in the bottom left, only that the queue is implemented by not having a literal queue but just being lucky when you contact the doctors, that they have an open spot right at that moment.
And all contact is handled by phone.
One wonders how I haven't got an appointment after more than a year.
Call every morning and ask if they have any cancellations or other openings. After a week or so they will get sick of you calling and find you a spot.
One of the things I need a doctor for is because of my extreme difficulties in social interaction (/calling). Imagine you have to overcome your hardest difficulties just to get help.
I'm trying, but it's almost impossible, and "every morning for a week" is definitely not possible.
I hear you. And I know that people will tell you that anxieties like this are best treated by exposure. But that doesn't help if you just can't do it. Know that you're not alone in this. It's so common and so frustrating. Maybe you can get someone to call on your behalf?
All sides suck amirite fellas
Everything is bad. It's just important to remember that not everything is equally bad.
Authright, for example, is significantly worse than the other three, and libleft is arguably less bad than the other two.
Healthcare can be private or even for-profit, but health INSURANCE should never be.
Unfortunately there isn't enough diversity of opinion on Lemmy to make PCM fun, it's too one-sided. Good meme tho.
All things are relative. Just the exact composition of the squares change.
PCM is eternal, if you have only enough gumption to make strawmen of heretics (they almost believe the same thing as you do, but slightly differently, which is even WORSE than an UNBELIEVER)
The left issues are still caused by the fascist and capitalist in this set
It would be nice to believe that, but in authleft, command economies often suffer shortages of goods due to intrinsically inefficient planning mechanisms that are extremely difficult to resolve (though proposals have been offered which may theoretically work, none were implemented during the period of widespread state socialism during the 20th century).
In libleft, capitalists can be assigned blame under social democratic systems, but a democratic market socialist system is not guaranteed to have a different outcome, as the innate problem is allocation of limited resources by the perceptions of need and desire amongst the general population, rather than the perception of need and desire amongst those with the... well, need and desire.
Unfortunately, there are no perfect solutions. That being said, libleft's "You have a chance, you just need to hope you can hold on long enough" is by far the better choice than the other three; and even authleft's "You were too slow, sorry, someone else who actually needed it got it instead; please fill out Death Form #56B2 in magenta ink." is better than either choice on the right.
Just to throw in a personal story in support of your point...
I just waited 9 months to see a neurologist while having multiple seizures a day due to medical problems ... Because my old neurologist in the same clinic moved on to a new job... Now, I'm 4 months into the new neurologist doing testing before really helping much... Still having about a seizure a week.
Regulations designed to make money for pharmaceutical companies rather than help consumers is why I have to wait a week or two every time my doctor sends in one of my prescriptions. Which I can't request a week or two early because of those same regulations. Its not bad planning (they're getting exactly what they want from it), but it is thoughtless planning. Care is not the goal.
Even if the meme is accurate, which is dubious to me, I would rather experience the same pain in a long wait for care but still have money to retire. I would rather have questionable planning than live in a system designed to isolate and trap people while generating a lack of human empathy. We die from those things, too.
Agreed.
@PugJesus make it easier to be a doctor then