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Shut your elf-mouth, Legolas!

8d 16h ago by piefed.social/u/PugJesus in lotrmemes@piefed.social from media.piefed.social

Aragorn: Dude, it was a compliment.

Gimli: Yeah, shut your elf-mouth and go nurse your elf-ego where we don't have to hear it.

I always read this as deferential and complimentary. Aragorn is openly acknowledging that Legolas and his people possess a skill that he does not, and in doing so he shows that he recognizes and values each team member's unique, valuable contributions to the Quest. And in a situation where all of the free peoples of Middle Earth are in peril and must work together using their individual qualities and powers to save themselves, it seems even more appropriate.

It's a sign of respect, not of condescension or division or whatever else it is that people are somehow reading into this scene.

Edit: In the books it's better-put (as is usually the case), but the effect feels similar:

"'Riders!' cried Aragorn springing to his feet. 'Many riders on swift steeds are coming towards us!' 'Yes,' Said Legolas, 'There are one hundred and five. Yellow is their hair and bright are their spears. Their leader is very tall.'

Aragorn smiled. 'Keen are the eyes of elves' he said."

What about seeing with the eyes of a friend?

"Eye could do that."

Mouth of a goblin on that one...

Aragorn is an old man, from an old time.

Aren't Elf eyes mechanically different in LotR? I remember hearing at one point that they don't see the curve of the earth like everyone else. So I think this question is a shorthand for "what do you see past the horizon that the rest of us can't?"

yes, before the downfall of Númenor the world was flat. after Ar-Pharazôn, the last king of Númemor, was deceived by Sauron and sailed west to Aman with an army to force the Valar to grant Men immortality (which they do not have the power to do), the Valar ensured this would not happen again by making the world round, so that Aman and Tol Eressëa were "removed from the circles of the world," and Númenor was sunk in the upheaval, ending the Second Age. now when Men try to sail west, they are turned around by the curvature of the world, but Elves can "sail the straight road" and reach the undying lands. some theorize that this means the world is round for Men, but still flat for Elves, allowing them to see beyond the horizon.

however there's not really much evidence in the text for that that I'm aware of, no explicit moment where an Elf sees something that would be beyond the horizon for a Man. there's also a moment where Tom Bombadil refers to a time "before the seas were bent," indicating that the world is round for him, who is neither a Man nor an Elf. and even if this theory were correct, it would not fully explain Legolas's vision; there are multiple instances where he can see something that Aragorn also sees, but in greater detail.

for example, in "The Great River," the second-to-last chapter of Fellowship:

Later as the sun was setting, and the Company was stirring and getting ready to start again, [Aragorn] descried a dark spot against the fading light: a great bird high and far off, now wheeling, now flying on slowly southwards. "What is that, Legolas?" he asked, pointing to the northern sky. "Is it, as I think, an eagle?" "Yes," said Legolas. "It is an eagle, a hunting eagle. I wonder what that forebodes. It is far from the mountains." "We will not start until it is fully dark," said Aragorn.

then in "The Riders of Rohan," the second chapter of The Two Towers:

"Look!" cried Legolas, pointing up into the pale sky above them. "There is the eagle again! He is very high. He seems to be flying now away, from this land back to the North. He is going with great speed. Look!" "No, not even my eyes can see him, my good Legolas," said Aragorn. "He must be far aloft indeed. I wonder what is his errand, if he is the same bird that I have seen before. But look! I can see something nearer at hand and more urgent; there is something moving over the plain!" "Many things," said Legolas. "It is a great company on foot; but I cannot say more, nor see what kind of folk they may be. They are many leagues away: twelve, I guess; but the flatness of the plain is hard to measure."

now obviously the horizon isn't interfering with Aragorn's ability to see a bird in the sky, yet he can't see it while Legolas can. also, for 12 leagues, or 36 miles, to be within the horizon, which it must be for Aragorn to be able to see, they would have to be at least 865 feet above the plain. they are described as standing on a ridge twenty fathoms (120 feet) above a cliff, which falls an unspecified distance to the plain, so that must be at least another 745 feet

then later in the same chapter:

Following with his keen eyes the trail to the river, and then the river back towards the forest, Aragorn saw a shadow on the distant green, a dark swift-moving blur. He cast himself upon the ground and listened again intently. But Legolas stood beside him, shading his bright elven-eyes with his long slender hand, and he saw not a shadow, nor a blur, but the small figures of horsemen, many horsemen, and the glint of morning on the tips of their spears was like the twinkle of minute stars beyond the edge of mortal sight. Far behind them a dark smoke rose in thin curling threads. There was a silence in the empty fields and Gimli could hear the air moving in the grass. "Riders!" cried Aragorn, springing to his feet. "Many riders on swift steeds are coming towards us!" "Yes," said Legolas, "there are one hundred and five. Yellow is their hair, and bright are their spears. Their leader is very tall." Aragorn smiled. "Keen are the eyes of the Elves," he said. "Nay! The riders are little more than five leagues distant," said Legolas.

again, both Aragorn and Legolas can see something, but Legolas sees it in much greater detail. they are described standing on top of a hill, with the edge of Fangorn forest visible at a distance of ten leagues, so the hill must be at least 600 feet tall

Yes. It’s akin to a woman saying something like, “Can you help me lift this with your man arms?”

Though even more so because they are straight-up different species and the difference in vision is supernaturally significant.

Maybe it’s more akin to asking a dog to smell something with their “dog nose”.

My wife has used "I need a man's strength" before. I've also used "I think this needs a woman's touch" after I've screwed something delicate up a few times.

Legolas, what that over-expository elf mouth do?

"I see a tiny man-stump betwixt thy legs."