You're not supposed to do anything other than generate value. Society doesn't care about your DMV needs. Just work and consume.

that's the point. the capitalists want every minute of your life they can get to work for them, then make you scramble to fit the rest of your life in the gaps. they make more profit and you have less time and energy to educate yourself, think, and organize

Jobs paid enough so one person could stay home is how it worked. Growing up, dad made all the money and mom stayed home to do chores and whatnot. It’s just how things worked. These days mom’s living off of dad’s retirement fund since he died early and she’s always surprised when I have to ask her for money even though its her generation that made the world what it is. Even when I am able to find work my wife and I are check to check. It’s stupid.

Where I work, they don't really give a shit if you have to go to an appointment or whatever. You just let people know you're going to be out at such and such time and that's it. No micromanaging of time since we're all adults and know what our deadlines and deliverables are. It's a salaried position, though.

If I had no flexibility at all that would definitely be pretty miserable.

Nice office jobs you can slip out for doctors appointments, but you kinda sorta still have to make up some of the time.

I think there was a time, maybe a few decades ago, when it was entirely acceptable and expected for a full time employee to say "I'm taking off early today, I've got a few errands to run." from time to time. I'm very lucky to be able to do that, but it sounds like it's getting less common.

Honestly? It's hard. I'd literally kill for a 4 day work week. It's become ridiculous.

My gf and I don't even have kids. I can't even imagine having kids to manage on top.

My weekends I barely have time to socialize or engage in my hobbies or leisure. When I do, my weekend chores overflow on my Monday evening. I'm tired all the fucking time.

It feels like a god damn cage.

The concept of burning vacation / sick time for a doctor's appointment is weird to me (canada). I just say "hey boss, doc appointment this day" and he says "okay".

I feel like it depends on the company here, but I don't think I'd stay long if they made me use my time off for that.

Thats the neat part, we dont.

That's the neat part. You don't.

Okay but really, you have to take time off.

This is why the rich don't understand how the poor "can't work". They have kids yo. And lower end jobs oftenhave very strict hours. But the upper end jobs have lots of flexibility. And the rich of course just don't volunteer at their kids school, or they have a parent home with the kids to do all those things.

As someone who also does "8-5" (can't believe we still call it that), I don't get any life done. I get home, get dinner done and then I doom scroll until I pass out from the exhaustion.

Given my commute is longer than most, I just don't have the time or energy to commit to other things I would otherwise be willing to get into. Drives me nuts when I see others being able to get their shit done seemingly whenever they want. With traffic being shit here, no idea how anyone can realistically get to the gym and still make themselves dinner afterwards without going past 10. It's crazy out here.

I have flexible time fortunately, which means I can start later if I have a doctors appointment. I make over hours most of the time so I can use those for these kind of events. Also I reduced my weekly working time to 80%

It's a privileged situation, but it is the only way to keep me sane. I can go shopping groceries at 3:30 instead of 5 or go to the gym earlier, it makes huge differences.

I had a boss tell us we should forget about work-life balance.

Burn PTO. Already get up at 6 to get the kids off to school, straight to work, straight to dinner, pick one chore until i pass out, get up at 6

How tf do people who work 8-5 M-F get any life done?

Ha ha. Ahhhh ...

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When I tell people I work 3 days, 12 hour shifts. They say something like "That's way too long I could never do that."
They don't think about the fact that I get a 4 day long weekend... EVERY WEEK!
I could never go back to a 5 day schedule.

I’m too European to get it

It doesn't work for anyone. People use up their vacation days.

I haven't got a fucking clue. I always hated normal jobs, but I do enjoy having both food and shelter (how decadent of me, I know), so I did what I could to scrape by. And what I "could" usually translated to "could find".

Then my proper career started in 2008, and it was an offshore rotation. Give weeks offshore in various corners of the world, followed by five weeks at home. It paid well, and I got to see the world. I worked my ass off for five weeks straight, 12 hour shifts every day, and when I was home I was free ro do whatever.

Then came 2011: The company wasn't doing too well, and I had contracted a family. I wanted to spend more time at home, and while I wasn't completely prepared to change careers just yet, I was mentally toying with the idea.

In spring 2012 I decided it was time to find a "normal" job, so I could spend more time with my family. M through F, 0800-1600, mostly at a technical workshop, sometimes at clients' places, and once in a blue moon at an office.

It. Was. Miserable. But having a normal job was what I was supposed to do, right? Well, the money wasn't bad per se, but it was nowhere near what I used to earn. Plus, when I got home from work I was so exhausted I rarely had energy left over. The family life I was aiming for was severely limited by my stamina.

In 2019 I concluded that nor.al jobs are for normal people, so I reached out to some old colleagues of mine, and suddenly I found myself in a job interview. Got back offshore, and never regretted my change of heart.

It's worth noting that I don't really go offshore any.ore, as I have since ended up in a supporting role, where 90% of my job is done via email or VPN, from home, saving up energy for when my kids (now plural) get home.

Use up vacation days. Yes, really.

You don't. That's why I am only working 4 days a week (with respectively reduced pay). But it's worth it, I much rather reduce the money I have available for my free time, but have a much more relaxed work week.

A 9.5 hour work day is insaaane

I work from home, and I'm paid based on various billable tasks. I work up to three times as fast as they think those tasks should take, and I only really work from 11am-3pm most days.

I am sorry you don’t want to burn up sick time or PTO… you have no choice, or find a care giver that works on weekends.

It really sucks.

As someone who had to take tomorrow off to visit the vehicle inspection place, I'm getting a kick...

We don't. We come home around 7 and start doing the bare minimum to keep up the household letting daycares and schools raise our kids.

We clean and cook and pay our bills then we go to sleep irritated and tired and sick of the rat race.

We have sex once or twice a month and go to fucking florida once a year. That's it.

We don't. We just exist. And then we die. It's monstrous.

Privileged to have flexible time, WFH, paid OT.

Trusted professional career where as long as you get the work done, then if you start later, have a longer lunch or finish earlier every now and then no one bats an eye.

Chores during work hours

I hate it.

Luckily I work a 4x10 right now. But I'm sure somebody somewhere in my company's management has noticed I am just slightly less miserable than I could be.

I would legitimately work a 2x20 if I could.

Doctor's appointments are considered as showing up to work in my country so people don't go undiagnosed for years before it gets worse. Anyways I don't have a life as well. I just do things that are possible to do in the evening (gym, studying, meeting friends). Weekends are for errands. Fuck life

Sometimes it’s using PTO or sick time (normally I’ve been able to take the time in 2 hour blocks), sometimes I’ve just been able to arrange with my supervisor for an extended lunch break, or just taking an unpaid break during the day and making up the hours later in the day or the week so that I’m not hitting my income or not completing my work.

Also, there’s reasons dentist offices often open early, or work on the weekends. Other necessary services like that may offer extended hours on certain days of the week.

EDIT: And things like chaperoning the kid’s field trip? Yeah, you’ll just have to use PTO or not do it. There’s a reason schools usually don’t have many parents volunteer for field trips; most parents can’t get the time off work.

My favorite working years were in the '80's when I worked evenings (4pm - 12:30am). I was in my 20's. I took classes, taekwondo, easily scheduled any appointments, went to the store when it was less busy, etc. I'd get home before 1:00 am, relax for 30-45 minutes and go to bed, then awaken naturally in the mid-morning, no alarm clock needed! I've always been a night owl so it was the perfect schedule for me. I've also worked overnight shift which was the worst, not good for sleeping, during the day when it's bright light and hot and people making lots of noise.

I moved six weeks ago. I installed my first ceiling light yesterday. The pile of todos is slowly shrinking. SLOWLY.

You highlighted why I want a 4/10 schedule so much. A designated day for this sort of thing would be a huge boon.

I don’t get this either. Good fucking luck getting to the bank when you work bank hours.

I have to beg to be allowed to come in late, just to treat serious health issues. I guess the people with an actual life, are the ones that are born wealthy, or studied to do an easy-going job.

I don't think you are meant to escape with enough hard work, it is punishment for not being a good student in childhood: You get worked like a slave, your entire life, dreams, passions, dignity, all that you are, is pushed aside, as your health is slowly chipped down, until you drop dead in your 40's-50's, no retirement for you.

Then you get some bs eulogy about how you were a good, hardworking man. One of the few times ever that people will even pretend to appreciate you.

I work 6 to 2. If I need to take a couple hours for a medical, family issue or car appointment, then I let my boss know and he says it's okay. I'm usually able to schedule things so that I put appointments and so on when I don't have big meetings. So long as the work gets done it's cool.

If I'm feeling rotten, I phone in and say I'm either too sick to work or that I'll WFH that day.

Of course, if I have a big vacation planned then I will put in for leave. I get 25 days off a year.

I'm with you (although I'm Scandinavian, we have better systems in place for sick leave and childcare etc.). I've worked afternoons 14-23:30 M-T or nightshift 23:30-6:30 T-F + every other Monday to fill out the hours, almost all my life. Dayshift colleagues ask how I can stand it, but I wonder how they can stand it. If I'm going to the dentist, barber, shopping, or any other errand under the sun, I have no issues getting a time slot within max a couple of days, usually the day after.

I communicated with my manager and came in late or left early. I'd usually do dental and medical appointments in the morning, and governmental stuff in the afternoon, but whatever I could schedule.

It helped that I was salaried, so the missing hours didn't affect my take-home pay. But also, I could make up the hours by staying late, if needed.

I know this won't work for everyone, and it would be good to change the system to work for more people.

PTO or asking for hour flexibility. Taking off an hour or two early/coming in late because of a dr appointment for example.

I don’t get anything done.

I spend all my sick days and a non-negligible number of vacation days on the kind of chores you can only get done during work hours. Back when we had "Work From Home", I would also squeeze these tasks in during my lunch break.

I don’t want to burn sick time for a doctor’s appointment (I need to save those for when my kid is actually sick), and I sure as hell don’t want to use up a “vacation” day for it.

Well, good luck with that. My retired mother-in-law helps a lot with my son when he's ill. And we can juggle my son between our individual sick-day allotments such that I haven't run out yet. But yeah, eventually they're all just "hours to spend that my boss won't gripe at me for when I use them". That's meant dipping into vacation days when I needed to justify not being on the clock.

I worked in a callcentre for many years and had changing shifts every two weeks. Having to come in at 6am and then getting that switched to 4pm wreaked havoc on my body and after doing this for quite a while, I just crashed and got burnout.

Recovery took me two years, where I basically just slept. Five days a week are just too much, it's a system designed to squeeze the last bit of labor value out of you and I fucking hated it. Nowadays, I'm not able to physically work for more than four days, or else I'll crash again.

I had a lot of luck, so I can now work entirely from home. No commute, Fridays are off. Sounds super cozy and amazing, but the thing is: I need that Friday for myself. A lot of times I'll just sleep so I can have some energy on the actual weekend. 🫩

When it comes to doctor's appointments, I just tell my boss I have one and that's it. As it should be. We are humans, not machines.

I have a well paying job, not overly so, but around 20% over the national median. I also have a wife and 1 (soon 2!) kids. I work 8-17 with a 30 minute commute. After work I'm too exhausted to want to do much of anything except some gym and maybe some gardening. Before I even got together with my wife she suggested that she be a stay at home mom, which I accepted. Because of that we are far far below the national median family income to the point where we technically are just below the poverty line.

But oh my god I don't think I would want it any other way. My wife can take care of most of the domestic tasks and the brunt of the child care and none of us are overly stressed or burned out. I gladly take that hit in income in exchange for the huge quality of life increase compared to if we were to both work full time. I still help around the house on weekends so my wife can have some time off from her duties as well.

I constantly get more confident in our choice when I listen to colleagues and their constant complaints about how hard it is to keep your life together. Full time work, 8-9 hours a day, was designed in a time when a stay at home partner was the norm. It just doesn't make sense if you're single or if both are working. Maybe we two are lazy but I honestly don't think we could manage it mentally and energy wise.

I do understand however that I'm very privileged to live in a very low cost of living area. Our lifestyle, with my wage, would be impossible in most of the country I live in. Living close to poverty is alright with me. I don't desire much and we both have cheap hobbies. We cook all the food we eat. My wife repairs clothes that break. We only have one old shitty car. We don't travel internationally. But we still manage just fine.

We have an “occasional absence” policy where you can take a few hours in the middle of the day for a doctors appointment or such.

Until recently, I had a job where I could leave whenever I wanted so long as there was nothing urgent in motion and I didn't have anything due/overdue.
My office was closed because the CEO thinks that my office's workload can be handled by a team in Philippines using AI translation tools.

DMV (or, our equivalent here) isn't open on Saturday's where I live. You have to go during the day 9-5 M-F, which yes, is when most people are working. Same with doctors appointments.

The companies I've worked at are generally very understanding, and allow you to make up time later (which is easy to do especially since it's remote work) if you have to take an afternoon off, that kind of thing.

I recently (3 years ago) changed gears employment wise to a 2 week rotating schedule, working 7 days out of 14 plus and flex time usage. 10 years of house projects done in 6 months. New roof, kitchen renovation + new flooring/paint/trim throughout the house. Raised beds built and in use. Vermin proofed half the block to ward off woodchucks. I go fishing whenever.

60 hour work weeks simply aren't worth it to me.

Working from home helps but its also partly why I downsized to a condo a few years ago.

That's the neat thing, you don't.

I don't consider work separate from life. I wasn't happy in my previous job so I started my own bussiness and now I do what I like to do. I still wouldn't work if I didn't have to but because I do, might as well do something that I enjoy and feels meaningful. Admittedly I probably work more hours now than I did before and I took a paycut as well but for as long as it covers my expenses it's all good. Atleast I don't need to ask anyone's permission for.. anything.

im an actor and comedian outside the corporate world. I just gig in the evening. I go on dates with my wife. I go to friends birthday parties. I work out. I garden. I play with my cat.

The bad news is - if you wanna do stuff, you gotta go do stuff

A lot of late afternoon appointments and ducking out of work an hour or two early. Burn through pto for out of town appointments.

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For me its the other way around. I worked 3 different shifts, including weekends, all the holidays and my shifts would be so random up to 6 workdays in a row with one or two days off in between. Most weekends I've worked, and my friends were available only on the weekends, so I missed on many stuff. My sleep schedule was non existant and I've felt constantly tired - i couldn't recover after those night shifts with 2 days off. I wouldn't get to spend time with my gf, even though it's daily routine - cooking food, watching series before bed, etc, cause most time when she was free i would be either sleeping or working.

Getting the stuff done, your appointments is nice, especially in the mornings when you got evening shift later, there are definitely upsides to working in shifts. But definitely not for everyone, the random sleep patterns caught up to me and since then I'm working in office hours, feeling much better even though the pay is less.

I guess where are working matters a lot. My current workplace let me leave earlier if I need to, or WFH, there's no pressure in time-keeping and I love that. So many places feel like you're working in ER, but you're just making someone rich :D. Also the city I am living in is a 600k European city, where distances are smaller, most drive <1h here to work. But I would move to smaller town for sure of we had children.

I don't want to get into American vs European labor laws, but I'm getting 4week/year PTO as much sick days as I meed (with reduced pay) and child care days off, meaning 1 day off/2 months whenever you want.

Sensible employer, decent sized town, and good enough country.

I've always wondered this as well. Everyone I know swears by the 9-5/8-5 day shift and im like "but you can't do like anything adult wise after or before work"

I'm fortunate enough that my last and current jobs have been accommodating if I need to duck out for an appointment. In general the expectation is to make up the time, but that's flexible depending on how much time is missed.

Other than that, I decided to not have children, so it's just my wife, me, and our dogs. My wife is 100% wfh, and I'm wfh 3 days a week, so we always have someone here when needed.

Before that when I worked retail and there was no leeway, I neglected things I need to do like going to the DMV, doctor and dentist appointments, and other things that technically could wait, but shouldn't. In emergency situations, I was expected to find coverage, and one time when I couldn't, I turned in my two weeks because they weren't budging.

I end up taking half days off or working slightly later to offset leaving earlier on some days.

I have a stay at home wife and a flexible employer.

My job is very lax, so I can just bring in a ThinkPad, and do some coding.

I don't have kids so I just work like 6-2 and the occasional weekend in order to keep afternoons open. It also helps that I'm basically unsupervised and nobody really keeps track of what I'm doing. Maybe once every six weeks I intentionally work like 4 hours on a Saturday and make a big fucking deal about it to give the perception that I am both busy and productive.

It could always be worse. In much of Asia the standard work week is still 6 days per week. In China for example it's often 9-9-6 which is 9am to 9pm 6 days per week.

This almost feels intentional though. If you're working all the time you have less time to grow and realize how injust much of the world is.

All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

I simply do not understand managers/supervisors/companies who do not realize that employees with a good life/work balance are more productive and less likely to leave. And be more expensive to replace.

I have three permanent work from home (but who come into the office for special occasions if they want) three that like to leave the jobs at the office when they go home so prefer to work in the office, and two who are a mix depending on what's going on in their lives (both have young kids and bought houses recently).

My department is the envy of all the other exec managers; there is no gossip, no drama, no dissatisfaction. Like not bragging here, but seriously other departments point at mine and say to their boss "but they get to do that!"

But my gals and guys understand we have so much freedom specifically because we get our shit done and always cover for each other. And as long as that happens, my boss, the owner will continue to let me run my departments however I see fit.

I just tell them I'm gonna be late one day. No PTO necessary.

Personally, vacation days are for medical appointments.

I worked 6-6 M-F for a year, and 6-3 M-F for a few years

social life existed because of having no kids and getting little sleep. I didn't waste time with doctors appointments or important stuff like that. I'd pop out "early" at 2 or 3 pm if I needed to for appointments.

now, I'm an office worker, but with a flexible schedule that lets me get that "business hours" stuff done when I need to. it's wonderful and benefits both me and my employer.

I love reading all the comments from people sharing a similar experience. This is what we deserve

Same question. I just recently started an 8-6 job and I have NO time. I’m out the house by 6:45 AM every morning and end up getting home close to 7:30PM every day. I used to work a far more “unorthodox “ schedule for 1/2 the pay, but this “normal” work schedule ain’t worth it, even at almost double the pay. I won’t be doing this forever, just long enough to find something more flexible that pays at least similar.

I’ve had both sides as well, I’ve had jobs where some weeks I worked 7 insanely busy night shifts in a row from 10.30pm to 9.30am. Those weeks you don’t get anything done because you’re just sleeping all day and too tired to do anything after. Not to mention having a commute that was 50 minutes to two hours. That is where I learned I did not want to do that.

And then I also worked 5 days a week working only day shifts 8-6, which bored the shit out of me.

And then I had a much calmer job where officially I worked 8-5, five days a week, but I had to had to figure out how to keep myself busy and I could basically do what I want because my supervisor was fine with whatever because he only cared about the results and I kept those coming. But that was too little structure too.

And I worked part time shift work because that is what was offered at the time and shifts were much shorter and more doable. At that job I had a little too much free time on my hands. I think I just gamed a lot back then. Also not what I wanted.

So now I have something in between, where I do work some weekends, evenings and nights, and I’m compensated during week days, but most of my job is 8-5:30.

And lastly, I want to mention how crazy it is that there is a cap on your sick days. If you get sick, you get sick, right? It’s not really a plannable event, but maybe I’m too European and weak-willed for that.

IDK how hourly workers do it.

In theory it should be no problem for salaried workers. The point of salary is that you are supposedly being paid for your work output rather than your time. I know that isn't always the case; companies love to control workers.

I have been lucky. At every place I worked for the last 20-ish years the salaried employees come and go as they please. It's normal to leave for a mid-day appointment and then come back to the office. All that matters is shit gets done in a timely manner and we're available when people need us. I wish everyone had that level of flexibility.

Go get a PhD and an academic position. The pay is shit but nobody will care whether you show up or not.

At my place the hours are quite flexible. If I have a doctor's appointment, I just go and make up for those hours somewhere in the week. Or if it's longer I can also just take a few hours off instead of a whole day. And I have the luxury of a 36 hours contract now, so I have a weekday off every 2 weeks. I value free time more than money that I can't enjoy because I'm working. But I'm aware that that's definitely a luxury many people cannot afford across the pond (or even here). Many people in my bubble of higher educated people who started working in the past 5 years are not working full-time. Can't easily run a 1 person household when you're working 40 hours

I say "X day I come in late" and that's it

8-5?

You work 9 hrs?

Most appointments get handled with sick time or talking to the manager to see if they will let you adjust your schedule to accommodate your appointment.

I work 9-6, go to yoga, eat supper, hang out with my husband awhile, sleep 11-7, have a leisurely morning because my commute is a short bike ride, have 4 weeks of PTO at this point and I USE it. Weekends I have free most weeks. I can come in late or leave early for appointments.

But honestly it works best when one or the other of us are working from home, to take care of some of the household stuff & pets, and we have someone come really clean the house fortnightly, so we don't have to spend weekends doing that. And I like gardening so that's not such a chore.

There's no other life other than work, sleep and stress.

I run errands on the way home from work. Dr. Appts on weekends though I don't go much. That's just me though, having kids shit added in to my life sounds awful.

My guess is its for people who really love their job. Like - Creature designer at ILM or something like that.

I do 12 hour shifts, 3 days on 3 off then 4 on 4 off pay periods. The 3 days off don't feel like enough so I don't know how people work with 2 days off. 12 hour shifts do make it hard to do anything when I get home though.

You don't you have to be constantly exhausted and have no time for everything because you have no choice in capitalism.

I worked an average of 12 hours a day last month, 251 hours. Had zero life.

Make up for it in the winter when I work 4 days a week 😆

Add kids and being chronically ill to that.

But honestly, you can find your place. I'd recommend not making your passion to your work as not to lose/spoil it but you need to at least like it. It's tricky. So that at best work is still work, but not pissing you off all the time.

Then you'll have the energy for other things too.

And regarding finding your place it can also be taken literally. Other countries work in very different ways, yours might not be the best fit for you. You take as given what the local options are, but there are others. I recall a video of an American who already knew Germany well but still his socks were blown off by the wildly different working environment here for example. (sick days? Wtf lol) it's hard enough here for me with all these benefits, I literally would not have survived in the US for various reasons.

That might sound like an exaggeration but it's not. It's a fact due to my medical history. And if I had survived I'd be broke, but I'm not.

I used to ask if I could work extra and leave a little early or take a long lunch. My current employer is far more chill about it and will let me do so if there's nothing pressing. Still had to burn a half day of sick time to bring doggo to the vet.

But like others are saying, "you don't." Life is a Sisyphean nightmare of falling behind on laundry, cleaning, legal obligations, etc. Live in quiet desperation and perpetual exhaustion. "Truly the best of all possible worlds."

Late shift--- no social life but I'll be damned if it doesn't make appointments a breeze

I have a hybrid schedule with 2 days wfh. I shove the errands into those days. My boss is also very good about me needing to do things like doctor's appts on office days. In turn he gets to do the same.

That's the neat part, you don't.

have the same issue with making dental/medical appts, the managers are making it difficult and giving attitude.

Just do appointments or other stuff in the early morning or late afternoon. You don't typically have to take the entire day off. Just an hour here or there.

Sometimes even then I still have to take an entire day off, but that is usually a very rare occasion.

After decades of it I'm exhausted, tired, used up, and with no energy to enjoy anything. It's time to get my affairs in order and check out.

Block it in your public calendar as "doctor's appointment" weeks in advance, so nobody schedules a meeting with you at that time. And send an email to your boss so they have it in writing.

Be prepared to show the receipt to hr the day of, for documentation.

Other things like friends meetups, laundry, grocery shopping happen after work and on weekends.

I work swing/2nd shift: 2:00 pm - 10:30 pm. My days off are always Tuesday and Wednesday. It's not so bad, as I can get stuff done on my days off (doctor's appointments, banking/government office-related errands, etc.). If I'm up earlier than my 10:00 am alarm, then I try to be productive around the flat.

Yeah fr, I don't have a "real job" yet, currently in an internship doing 30hr a week and I'm kind of sick of it. More so, I might be sick of the work and environment itself but during my free time, I just barely have enough time to do all the chores and stuff I want to do (I do a lot of stuff). I feel like if I were to work 40 hrs a week, I would need to time out every minute of my week out.

Serious attempt at an answer: I was terrified of this myself. I felt super tired on much less, had no idea how I would cope with a full day of work plus coming home and going right back out to be social or whatever. I ended up having to do it, plus language lessons twice a week. Have been doing it a couple years now. I think you really do adjust, at least a little. You find ways to rest in smaller periods, in bathroom at work, going out for a break with the smokers, sleeping when you come home etc. I find a lot of things I ended up sacrificing but I also find it's not as hard as you might think. I even manage to cook most days, and stay on top of household chores for the most part. It isn't a brag, and I think I fall back on the same recipes time and again. One one level, it just sort of all gets forced to be optimised, but I do also feel I have more energy

Can you not just make up the time lost with overtime? That's how it usually works here. You need to leave early? Just make sure to make up the time.

I mean, you probably can't I guess, limited sick time that can be used up doesn't really paint a good picture of how much your country cares about you.

It ain't easy. You just gotta muscle through though. I do it through arthritic pain, and complain about it at length. But I don't really have a choice in the matter.

Somehow you just do. Parents have been doing it for quite a long time. Try farming - 7 days a week from 5am til Whenever, and somehow you still get life done. Part of it is adjusting your expectations when they turn out not to work..

You earn the ability to take take time off that you need for personal stuff after you've proved yourself to the employer. When you're young they expect you to forgo that doctor stuff