If you are coming from Reddit: YSK that Lemmy and Piefed have no karma. Don't delete your posts.
14h 46m ago by lemmy.today/u/silly_goose in youshouldknow
Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It's devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.
Lemmy doesn't track an account's karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won't affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.
Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won't be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.
I was talking about this in another thread the other day, and somebody pointed out that, on the fediverse, every post gets pushed out everywhere. So, a user deleting their own post is just asking pretty please if all the federated instances will respect its deletion.
I don't think that all fediverse clients/portals delete the comments along with the posts. IIRC, Voyager lets you look at the comments on deleted posts, at least I think I've seen my own comment after the post was deleted.
Yes. But by default the instances delete the content when the request comes.
Clients like voyager and summit do show your comment because the reference exist on your profile but others cannot discover it because the post itself is gone from all feeds.
So what you're saying is it's an instance choice (and instance admin) issue? Mine shows reply comments on deleted comments. You might reflect this in OP... Likely new admins don't know to turn it off as well.
You have to modify lemmy or piefed code to not delete the post from server instances upon request. It happens automatically.
The comments stay and can be viewed on your profile. But they cannot be discovered by others because the post which reveals them to the outside world is gone.
Comments work a bit differently. When you look at a post, and a comment is deleted you can still see its reply comments.
So post is always the starting point of discovery. If you delete that everything inside is effectively gone—like removing the only door into a room.
Hope that made sense.
Thanks, makes sense now.
Still seems like a (server) code level problem to provide sensible handling rather than having to try to notify all users of an unintuitive behavior. I'm guessing piefed would likely listen, lemmy perhaps less so.
It's a per-instance choice, yes. Comments though are handled differently. A deleted comment doesn't delete the thread or any surrounding comments, just itself. The issue at hand is when a post is deleted it also deletes all comments with it. Unlike reddit where a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
Pretty damn sure that's exactly what I see. It just says 'deleted' or some such and carries on. Makes sense for an instance like .ml where censorship is the goal, much less elsewhere. Are you sure there isn't an off switch?
No, it's not a per instance choice unless you go and edit the code. Deleting a post hides the whole thing but comments are still available via a user profile.
Even if you're on Reddit, deleting your post/comment because of downvotes is cowardly. Is your ego so fragile you won't stand by your own words because of imaginary internet points?
I had a few heavily heavily downvoted comments on Reddit, usually just for making a joke that missed…. But I’d never delete them. Gotta own your mistakes and make up for it with quality replies
If you have karma to burn, sure. But if you're low-karma and an infrequent poster, a drop in karma means your comments get blocked in some communities or, worse, shadowbanned.
aren't there karma farming communities on reddit?
never understood karma tbh. but if it is supposed to be a reputation system - its pretty weak...
Maybe? I think they keep banning them.
The main problem is that people give down votes for other opinions. They can't go to the next post or comment without pressing the negativity button. Their ego is fragile.
But I agree with your comment.
Is there a new influx of Reddit users? If so, why?
They got rid of r/all and the bot karma farming went super critical.
It's overrun by AI slop bots too.
This was the top post of r/aww the other day. Nobody noticed the AI slop. Or maybe all the comments were bots too.
The title is such nonsensical slop in itself. Wtf about hanging out in a litter box would make a cat "king"?
execute healthy bowel movements, king
I fucking hate the current- and probably next-gen slop. Modern cell phone cameras rely on computational photography, since the software based solution of guessing what's there is much easier than expanding the physical optics and sensors.
But that also leads to artifacts that are very similar to AI-generated bullshit, because both are based on a computer making guesses based on a noisy input.
I hate that I can’t tell the difference between a cell phone's bad guess and a data center's really good guess.
maybe that will make polaroids a thing again, since it relied on exposure i would image it would be more difficult to fake
A cat taking a piss is the last thing I would upload to the awww sub, and I actually did follow that one on half of my accounts there.
But what are the other tells now, I take it the pattern is different on the floor in the circled part? I couldn't even tell.
The last pic obviously the electrical outlet looks wrong but idk,
The cat in the last pic doesn't look like the same cat either, it's tail is fluffy, and it looks older, than the pissing cat?
These types of outlets do exist(old/rarely used) but it’s mounted sideways. However it doesn’t seem to have any grounding going on. Afaik a circular one should have grounding.
Wait seriously?
I mean, that isn't true. r/All is still available even with the shit app. It just takes 5 seconds of inconvenience now.
I'm not sure but maybe it's because reddit is aggressively banning or shadow banning accounts.
Every week spez does something to mess it up. It's hard to keep track.
That's why I'm here. No clue what I even did wrong. Wild guess is that it was from editing a post that contained a pastebin link to code I was asking a question about. But whatever the reason, this place is actually kinda nice. I did manage to revive a throwaway Reddit account I once made, so I guess I could go back, but haven't really felt the need.
They know it's you still, if you've been permabanned especially.
Even if no ip or browser fingerprints or any of that rot follows you from your old account, the way you talk, your phrases, would id you.
ai burning down the data center trying to keep up with my bpd
Probably banned you for not being a bot.
I've noticed that too. I have a lurker account but I've been largely out of touch with Reddit since 2014 or so.
I’ve been off Reddit for awhile; when I looked over the past week it seems much deader.
Posts are getting much less engagement there than they were for the past few years, imo. Take my opinion with a grain of salt though cause that’s just for the most front page communities I happened to visit.
"the internet is 5 giant websites filled with screenshots of the other 4"
Hello, Mr. Doctorow. Good day!
Don’t delete your stuff over downvotes ever. Say what you mean and mean what you say and if some people don’t like that oh well. The need for universal validation is killing human discourse
Being authentic means not everyone is going to like or agree with you all the time, it’s a good thing
Well, you can say stupid shit and only realize it after you already posted it.
In those situations it's better to just edit the comment so people can still read the stupid shit with the context that the commenter doesn't believe in the stupid shit anymore.
You saying I'm posting stupid shit without realising it?
Edit : you weren't talking about me at all my bad
Sometimes, we say a thing we meant, but then later we learn a new thing or our perspective on an issue changes. That old post/comments can feel quite embarrassing or shameful, and removing it (or editing the original content out) can feel like the only way to still feel like you belong. If the choice is between removing one piece of your history here, or removing yourself from the community, the one piece feels like the superior choice. IF that's the alternative.
unless you wrote something truly horrible
Look, I will be honest, I don't like this about social media platforms. Nobody is perfect and not every person universally agrees on everything together. Disagreements and arguments are a guarantee. Who decides what is "truly horrible?" It should be defined in the rules by the mods and admins, not by each individual user.
Downvote a post or comment however you want, sure. But nobody should be following accounts to harass them in other threads or vote brigading every post they make just because they don't like or agree with a post. People do this all the time on Reddit, and Lemmy is no different, they do it here too. This is way more devastating to Lemmy than deleting comments or posts.
If a post or comment actually breaks rules, that is the moderator's and admin's job to take care of. Report it and let them handle it.
Nobody should be deleting posts, I agree, but also please don't be a Brigade Bozo. Nobody likes a Brigade Bozo.
EDIT: Also, may want to add "Why you should know this:" before your last paragraph.
Also misunderstandings (on various layers! It's not obvious!) can go horribly wrong. As a neurodivergent it's the story of my life.
So basically you're saying we should lobotomize all koalas? what the fuck dude, i can't believe you'd clearly state such a horrible opinion in a way that can't possibly be misinterpreted, how the fuck can you sincerely and passionately think that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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I realize you're right, but when I first read this I thought it meant that if you wrote something truly horrible it would make you just have bad karma spiritually
Who decides what is "truly horrible?
Exactly. A community rule violation is what I had in mind. Some things universally "horrible" I can think of are hate speech, racism, and bullying etc.
People that follow someone around and downvote everything they write are pathetic. I would say I'm glad they are wasting their time, but I guess they can set up a bot to do it all so idk. It wouldn't be hard for an administrator to see.
You can tell when a troll is from reddit because they will spam your comment history with downvotes as if it matters at all here.
Deleting a post also removes all comments on it.
This really needs to change. OP shouldn't have control over the conversations everyone's having, even if they can remove their portions of it. Even reddit didn't give OP that power, even if it was removed from the sub page.
FWIW some instances/front ends preserve the comments section, although it ends up being a bit jank. For example, if you load this through lemmy.zip, it shows as an error because OP deleted it. But if you go through old.lemmy.zip you can still see (most of) the comments, although not what the original post was.
https://lemmy.zip/post/65423752
https://old.lemmy.zip/post/65423752
If your post has replies, “deleting” a comment should just remove your name from the post. Not just the replies remain, but the original comment too
For that matter, let each comment have an edit history so we can see what you've changed. Usually it'll just be a spelling/formatting mistake, but the people deserve to know!
No. It should be your choice to remove your own content AND replies often contain quotes of the original post.
(about to vent) This is like the idiocracy Wikimedia projects all have, like "oh we can rename you so that people don't know it was you, we can still see it ourselves tho, also don't ever ever edit again or we put the name back and mute you for a while" then I am like "yeah sure" and then they did in fact change the name of the account in the logs BUT pressing 2 buttons on it shows the original name AND it now basically just fucking GLOWS among the other names. Like, as if they seriously think one would rather press the same 2 buttons to check for renames on JohnDoe21 rather than on fucking Renamed user 12123738120912469074567097145637089345278901253470986453sfndmmsdfhnlgasmdfhbksfgjdsfd.
I dunno the ins and outs of wiki infighting, but I don't think one person should have control over whether hundreds of comments get seen or not. Unfortunate if people can quote things that put you in a bad light but unless things are taken out of context maybe just think harder about what you post in the first place.
People are deleting their account because imagined karma being low? Why do people even care. I have no idea how much karma I have and it's pointless to know.
That really is the max sillyness, caring about points and likes on social media.
There's bots on Lemmy that vote farm. There really is no sense to any of it.
On reddit if you have a low karma your account gets severely limited. Shadow bans, you can't post on many subreddits etc.
But there's no such issues here most of the time. Each post / comment stands by its own merit.
I have no idea how much karma I have
Because there is no such a thing as karma on lemmy. Upvotes dont sum up anywhere for us to see.
Lemmy is great! A post in one community can be heavily downvoted but in another would be upvoted to heaven. E.g. Ukraine@lemmy.ml and Ukraine@sh.itjust.works. Teaches us to read the room.
You guys have downvotes? Every time I try to downvote a post I got a server error
Don't some instances deactivate downvotes?
Piefed keeps a record of you attitude, you upvote to downvote ratio, I think I'm around like 80 some percent upvotes for instance. I think they are working on something else in that manner I don't recall.
Yes. Mine, too. I can't give or see down votes.
But you don't usually need down votes. If it's terribly bad, report it... If not, ignore it...
Are people deleting because of karma?
At least from my time on Reddit, when people deleted something, it's because they didn't want the post to come back and bite them a while because of others seeing it after the fact, or they just regularly scrubbed the account for privacy reasons, rather than anything to do with actual karma.
It’s both, I’ve seen plenty of posts on Reddit before I was banned about helping people not care so much about downvotes which they found devastating, which the answer btw is therapy, no one should care that much about the opinions of bots and a few strangers
But but sometimes you get drunk and shit post on Lemmy and you should delete those
Wait, deleting a post removes alle comments?
Like in deleting them aswell?
Don't assume the post was deleted. Modded posts also show as deleted.
But also why would a downvoted post need to be saved? If it were a good post it'd have a positive vote count.
Different strokes for different folks
Edit: plus, bad posts can have valuable comments. They frequently do, if the post is bad because of an error in logic or ethics that can be thoroughly explained/corrected for the poster and any lurkers who identified with the post.
Yes, I frequently learn things from the replies to comments which have been removed by a moderator. I also like to look up the posts themselves to learn what was objectionable.
My client (Connect) separates user deletions from mod deletions by having mod deletions have a link to the modlog for that post/comment.
If it were a good post it’d have a positive vote count.
I don't always agree with the hivemind's judgment.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
People should perhaps be cautious of what they downvote. I recently posted my take on something, but said I was open to counterarguments. The responses were good and made me reconsider (though not entirely alter) my opinion. My initial take was downvoted—which feels like it is being used as a 'disagree' button, which is arguably not the point.
the disagree button is a common argument on lemmy. you just can't get rid of it as it is so much easier, than writing a comment.
just ignore it, if people use it to disagree. its just some stupid internet points - which don't even get summed up (as OP mentioned)
I don't know that it is "not the point". I'm sure there are varied expectations, and I don't think there are clearly defined rules of what an up or down vote means exactly, but it seems they are generally accepted to be "this is a good post/comment" or "this is a bad post/comment". I think you just got downvoted because you had a bad take. That's OK. Shit happens.
I set my lemmy client so that I can't see downvotes, only how many upvotes... and my instance doesn't enable downvotes as is. It changes the experience for the better imo
Live by your mistakes, be honest about them how else are you supposed to get better.
Piefed does have some bizarre attitude system. It was not well documented if it was only your own votes that factor into it, and I did not want to waste time deciphering the code to figure it out.
I hope it stays this way. Karma systems inevitably create tribalistic echo chambers, where people downvote others simply because they disagree with a statement but lack any logical counterargument. It is an attempt to silence dissenting opinions, a form of behavior that is both extremely toxic and primitive.
After ~12 years on reddit I still don't understand the point of karma. Okay, it's nice to have this counter, but that's it. I've never checked out how much karma someone else has.
Aye aye capin"
You should still delete your posts and comments.
There’s only so much server space and if it turns out you dropped a stinker you can save dozens of servers from having to hold it.
When I left reddit I just quit. I didn't clean up anything.
you should at least replace your history with gibberish or ai poisoning, couple of open source githubs that do it, dont let them keep monetizing your contributions
And if you come from Reddit where people can't ignore a comment with a different opinion and have to down vote it, please don't do that here. We don't need that negativity.
The only time I delete I post is if I say something factually incorrect that I learn about later. I don't want to be responsible for spreading incorrect information.
Please don’t care about up/down votes… but if anyone wants to downvote this then please do.
who the fuck gives a shit about imaginary internet points?
Yeah but what about the dopamine hit or loss upon societal rejection?
Even without karma (beyond good and evil), isn't there a societal sense of shame or guilt for writing something horrible?
I never delete anything usually, neither here nor on reddit, I want those dumb motherfuckers to see what I wrote whether their dumbasses agreed with it or no.
Sometimes I will be mean to someone being mean to me then delete it almost immediately that's about it.
I had some posts get downvoted for some stupid reason. So I just deleted them.
I thought my posts were well thought out nuanced takes on the current topic. But anyway. I’ll delete any post that gets downvoting for some unknown(to me) reason.
Including this one.
Is because you are molded and shaped by the community, so you don't want anything that is against it left online.
Surely this is on the downvoters, though? To a lot of people, downvote means "I want this post removed from the internet", not "I don't fully agree with this post".
Aren't those deleting their own posts just saying "Oh no! I didn't realise this was so upsetting to people - I better remove it"?
Not everyone downvoting wants the censure of your post or comment, no.
For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it's a poor generalization and I'd rather have better thought out comments promoted, not because I want it censored.
How can it be on the downvoters when there is typically no justification tied to a downvote? Misinterpretation is on the poster, not on the downvoter.
This. But having worked in people management before I also understand that there are infinite ways different people might interpret one thing
For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it's a poor generalization and I'd rather have better thought out comments promoted
You could achieve that by up voting the others that are better and not down voting anything. Causes useless negativity, which is the reason why many big platform removed it or never introduced it. At least, you gave a comment and explained your view. That's usually what I do instead of down voting.
Yes, if the overall sentiment is that people don't like what I have to say then my thought is generally that I ought not have said it. Sometimes I might think that it's others who are being close-minded or whatever, but I usually feel terrible for having caused offense, and I then wish to erase my mistake.
Even if that were true, how is it on the down voters that your self esteem is so low that fake internet points are a defining characteristic of your identity? Someone didn't like what I posted? Boo hoo.
If Lemmy wants to be a community, they can stop dogpiling.
yeahh and start catgril piling
We're already puppygirl piling! 🐶
What would be some examples of said dogpiling..?
.ml and hexbear are pretty well known for it.
That explains why I don't see it that much. User experience hugely improves when you block those two
Well, that would certainly match their reputation.
I don't seem to see it though across most of the FV. Other than people groaning at various hare-brained "Ask Lemmy"-type questions.
Still better than
"Sexxers of Sexxit, what's the sexiest sex you've ever sexed?"
Downvotes: 1
Upvotes: 10.635x10^13
Guess I'm just lucky.
Lmfao your account is old enough to know what I’m talking about.
Oh, did I have the exact same experiences across the FV that you did?
I guess I missed that brain feed. 😕
In 3.9k comments, yes. I’m sure you have at some point.
Kibbles and bits doesn't want DOGpiling... Lol
I find that very funny.