There's no karma? [OC]
2y 11mon ago by lemmy.world/u/gnarly in fediverse
Not gonna tell you what to do, but here is the post on Reddit.
Thanks for your support everyone!
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More at my website: www.victorgnarly.com
Here is my take on karma. Karma gives users an incentive to post content based more around grabbing attention than quality.
I think it is for the best that karma doesn't exist here as it allows users to post what they feel without an alterior motive such as gaining internet points.
I kinda wish they would also hide the upvote/downvote numbers as well. Completely remove all the visible numbers that could potentially be used to "keep score". Posts and comments shouldn't be about who's winning.
But how will I get emotional validation from a group of anonymous strangers?
But... you're winning with this comment! >:o
That's a good idea IMO.
See Unidan for reference
Original content and exclusively for the Fediverse! That's a good sign.
Make sure to link the post though elsewhere!
Gotta admit, I'm having a ton of fun on Lemmy. Never have I had this much positive engagement and it's just been a great time all around. I'm encouraging all my artist friends to make accounts. Thanks for the support! If you got a spare coffee in the budget, it's appreciated!
Can you share their accounts when they created their fediverse account(s) ;). Mastodon for individual follows, maybe communities they plan to post in?
Will do. I am encouraging them to sub to Comics@lemmy.ml and /c/digitalart to get started.
Image Transcription: Comic
[There's no karma?, By Victor Gnarly]
Panel 1
[A hooded figure in black robes, and no face visible save for large, pure red eyes is speaking a room made of stone. The hooded figure speaks in white text bubbles to another character outside of the frame, who responds with black text bubbles]
Hooded figure: So... There's no karma?
Black text bubble: Ye-
Hooded figure: No greedy CEO?
Black text bubble: Yep.
Panel 2
[The out of frame character speaking in black text bubbles is now shown to be a second hooded figure with round red eyes, standing next to hooded figure 1 in the stone room. Hooded figure 1 has a hand outstretched as they speak, while hooded figure 2 is giving them a thumbs up in response. There is a small fire burning on an altar in the background.]
Hooded figure 1: All ad free?
Hooded figure 2: Oh yeah.
Panel 3
[Hooded figure 1 is shown in close up again, pointing a finger to their left, with their eyes wide in a look of surprise]
Hooded figure 1: But why is the logo a-
Panel 4
[Both hooded figure 1 and hooded figure 2 are shown standing on opposite sides of a large drawing of the fediverse icon on the floor, a rainbow pentagram. There is a pure white, slightly transparent glowing figure with wide eyes standing in the centre of the pentagram, their arms outstretched. There is a small white ball on top of an antenna on top of the glowing figure's head, with a beam of white light shining from their head to the ceiling. Squiggles of white energy and red streaks of fire fill the room, emanating from the glowing figure. Hooded figure 1 has their arm slightly raised, as if to shield themselves from the energy in the room]
Hooded figure 1: Pentagram?
Hooded figure 2: Reasons.
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The pentagram is a symbol of protection from evil. It protects us from evil CEOs.
It still needed the circle around it, but the pentagon still should do it
This is some high quality OC, thanks for sharing OP!
What a thought...we'll have to form opinions of people based upon what they write, not on points that could always be faked or whored. Popularity is an incredibly stupid measure of quality. I'd like to see the up/down arrow on threads replaced by a simple view counter, too.
It's not about forming opinions though - it's about deciding what order to sort posts. Sorting by date / view count / upvote count is pretty crap. We only get away with it now because there aren't many people posting. That's changing.
Pretty much all social networks these days have some kind of "karma" like score, though it often isn't visible to anyone. Obviously in the fediverse it would be visible (though maybe not activley promoted?).
The best karma implementation that I know of is the one on Stack Exchange, though I'd like it more if it wasn't so easy to have a high score just by having been on the network for a long time (my score over there is ridiculously high for someone who barely participates these days).
The current state of comment aggregation isnt really like that. By default the 'Hot' sorting is used, which is a ranking method based on a combination of no. of impressions & time passed since the last comment, and decays over time. By no means a perfect solution, but the one you proposed sounds incompatible with the decentralised nature of aggregation for fediverse content
Just because the current system doesn't do what you want, you think going back to a system of cheating and popularity contests is good? Think carefully about that. Unless you're the sort who also refuses to listen to music that isn't on the Top Ten list and only goes to blockbuster movies. If that's the case, honestly the Fediverse may not be the place for you.
If I wanted to use Reddit/Twitter/etc, I wouldn't have deleted my account on those two platforms. Definitely don't want the fediverse to go that direction.
But I personally believe the problems with those platforms are 100% the fault of the people running the place and the bad decisions they have made in the past and will continue to make in the future.
I think a karma based ranking algorithm, designed by a community that has the right intentions (find good content, and sort it at the top), will work well. Also I think the fediverse is uniquely able to find the right algorithm because each instance can potentially run a different ranking algorithm.
The same way some instances have "vote down" and other instances only have vote up. Time will tell which approach is better, and all the instances will surely adopt the best one.
It may indeed all work out, but I cannot see any possible benefit at all to karma. No matter the intention, it allows opinions to be formed without reading content. People will almost always act like sheep, and too many people will associate karma with legitimacy. I think it would be an incredibly foolish thing to adopt it.
I would prefer to base it on what they say and do in person but hey
Yep. But in a setting where we only see what they write, it's what we've got. But hey.
Huh, I hadn't noticed that before. Definitely gonna be the focus of some unstable people I'm sure.
I'm fine with those folks staying away, so win/win.
What good is a website if you can't summon Eldritch entities?
Edit: that website doesn't load for me
Oh in the body to my website, thanks! I fixed it. http://www.victorgnarly.com
Agreed!
No www.victorgnarly.com is the one that gives me a Server Not Found error.
Fixed thanks
There's a typo in the url. If you look you'll find an extra ;// in there.
Hey @gnarly your link is borked.
It's been fixed so maybe an older instance of my post body is on your end? Good to know that sometimes edits revert for some people so I'll be sure to triple check my URLs before posting.
How else do you think you build a protocol that lets your youtube clone talk to your twitter clone talk to your reddit clone talk to your facebook clone talk to your instagram clone?
Wait there's an instagram clone?
There's a YouTube clone?
Peertube is a federated YouTube replacement. You can have it where an instance connects to other instances, and you can also sign up to individual channels using Lemmy so new videos show up on your feed, and you can watch, comment, and upvote and that integrates with the channel. Federated instances can also act as seeds for the other instances so popular videos can be distributed, and viewers seed to other viewers so it a bunch of people are watching a video that takes the load off of the servers. It also has streaming including chat integration.
Another great project in the fediverse.
https://diode.zone/is one peertube instance.
As insignificant as it was I actually liked having karma
We have post and reply scores, thats all I need to whore myself out. A score of any kind.
I just need hard numbers that tell me im a good person.
Is that so strange?
Thanks!
Well that's a useless metric, what if you're upvoted because assholes like your takes? Lol
I cant tell that from the updoot! So i dont care!
So did the bots.
And all the reposters.
It just created junk content for no reason at all.
I thought I did, but I actually prefer not to.
I'd like to see it for communities. General karma is worthless unless you know where they earned it, but someone with negative or zero karma in a community tells you useful things.
I was always using it to bring down right-winger trolls. It was a good indicator for their constant misdemeanor
It's a rainbow pentagram which means only the gayest of demons will be brought forth. Only bottoms need worry about their horned dicks.
Happy priDE MONth, kids 💞
How else do you think they are able to afford servers? Donations? HAH, right...
Blood sacrifices are the hottest new form of venture capitalism. More at 11.
"HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO POWER TRIP NOW?"
i didn't look at it this way lmao
"Not gonna tell you what to do, but here is the post on Reddit."
Can't upvote it there, I already added a redirector rule that redirects all requests that go to reddit.com to about:blank.
I would redirect to lemmy, tho
Yeah, that would probably be better... let me go fix that.
EDIT: I did it.
Probably for the best!
MFers when they haven't heard of graph theory. That's a K5 graph pal!
pentagraph
Honestly, summoning demons might be a decent harm reduction strategy in the long term.
I am the demon lol
That's how you know it's better
Everything’s better with a pentagram!
That's funny haha
And why is it called the Fediverse huh? How could you fall for such a clear honeypot smh my head
It's ALL connected!
Fantastic!
I never even noticed. Brilliant decision.
I just think they’re neat!
You may THINK there's no karma, but then one day....
Lol there actually is a karma system hidden in the backend, so it's easy enough to implement whenever.
Love it
Any chance we will ever see a minimalist icon for the fediverse? xd
*Removes the lines*
Yep, looking good!
Just a heads up OP, you added an extra semicolon and slashes in the embedded link. It'll try to redirect people to "http://;//www.victorgnarly.com", which doesn't resolve. Great content in any case!
Thanks for letting me know I actually had already made the correction but I guess it hadn't updated on everyone's instances yet. I'll be sure to triple check my links before posting.
me watching too much Supernatural: I hope the pentagram is made of colored salt and there's no draft or wind
Try a different browser. It was "down" for me all day yesterday, but as soon as I swapped from Firefox to Chrome it worked.
How long will it remain that way? I’m sure operating costs will eventually require introducing ads into the mix, or is there some sort of structural safeguard that prevents ads from eventually showing up?
If a true reddit migration does happen (which I honestly doubt for a number of reasons, technical issues aside) and selfhosting is too expensive, I'm confident the community here can funnel a means to support the server without introducing ads to the feed or site directly.
I can picture a mall for Lemmy merch. Kurzgesagt discusses their financing in this video and paralleling that business model with trendy bullshit sounds like a winner to me. Lemmy.world Calendar anyone?
for what? lmao
It would be nice if we could create post/communities that only sort comments on recency. I never did like the whole reddit upvote downvote button for comments.
Upvote and downvote is a great system provided it shows both and doesnt reduce it to positive or negative only.
The system is meant to show good content from bad content, by showing the total amount of up and down votes. Reddit got rid of that system years ago and just showed the sum of votes which is where the "hive mind" mentality came from. Used to be you'd see a post with dozens of upvotes and downvotes and it would tell you that the content itself was usually of high quality, it was just a controversial take. If a post had 450 downvotes and 400 upvotes you'd know they were speaking for about half of the site, whereas if it only shows "-50" you'd think they are a huge minority.
As long as karma doesn't exist and the total amount of all votes are displayed, I think it's a far better system than just showing every comment based on it being recently posted. If we did that you'd have spam everywhere and you would have to dig through a dozen low effort comments to get the best engagement.
Yeah but it would be interesting if you could just set it to new for everyone not just like your personal sorting.
In the menu below the post, click on 'New'.
I don't think there is a way on Jeroba?
Yeah, when you go into the thread the top right has the lines icon for the menu to sort comments how you want.
Hmm I wonder if I need to update or something. I definitely can not find it ): Good to know it's supposed to be there though
Top right 3 line menu in jerboa
Damg I straight up do not see that anywhere ): Could it be because I'm using an old version?
Not sure what mod options exist here, but Reddit mods could set the suggested sort, which most people use when viewing, so you could suggest sort by new and bypass ordering by vote totals. It was often used on live threads for events.
hmm
Nice job, I like the artwork
But there is karma?