I vote defederate. This isn't a question of putting up with a little fascist rhetoric on an otherwise acceptable instance. Exploding heads is exclusively fascist rhetoric, bad faith users, and spam bots.

We have nothing to gain from listening to them.

Defederate them. There’s no room for Nazis and fascists anywhere, ever.

I continue to vote for defederation.

Having looked at the instance in question myself and participated in the various conversations regarding defederation for them, I can see no valuable reason to keep federation at this point.

As late as yesterday I came across (and blocked) in my feed an account with a name from exploding-heads of ihate(trans_slur) that made its anti-trans purpose on their server clear. I would be glad to privately provide the screenshot of the account in question on request as I do not want to boost visibility or post hateful content myself.

There will always be ideas I personally do not agree with, that's fine. But it seems that this conversation around this one single instance has caused much trolling, many bad faith arguments, and has been at general odds at what I perceive the server is trying to accomplish.

The new information regarding botswarming is something I was not aware of until this post. I was monitoring the general posts regarding that type of content and supporting removal of bot instances, and that does add another layer to why defederation should be considered for this instance.

I'd like to share with you two of the latest posts from their admin:

1. https://exploding-heads.com/post/161383
2. https://exploding-heads.com/post/161037?scrollToComments=true.

These posts link to news articles (and here's what mediabiasfactcheck has to say about both sources: Breitbart, and Daily Sceptic), but that's not the most important thing here: notice the diatribes in the posts, the rhetoric, this hatred sprinkled with an unhealthy amount of populism... This is disinformation directly endorsed and spouted by their admin; it reflects the kind of people welcomed to your instance if it remains federated with theirs.

I'm favorable to foster a diversity of opinions, of course including those I disagree with. However, a lie is not an opinion. And hatred, if you happen to consider it as an opinion, is certainly not a nurturing one, be it for an individual or a community.

it seems ridiculous to defederate from lemmygrad but not these tools

any 'personal convictions' that rule out tankies but not fascists are a serious red flag

For me this is an easy aye. We already defederate from Lemmygrad for tankyism. I don't see an issue with that, as that often comes with denying genocide and generally being apologetic of leaders of the past who have legislated against and killed minorities.

I don't see how a right-wing instance obsessed with Donald "very fine people on both sides" trump is any better. It simply stands to reason that if Lemmygrad is to remain defederated (and I don't see why not) then so should EH.

After a read through a few of their communities it's clear to me the instance favors the expression of right wing extremism under the claim of free speech.

So while I'm not usually against defederation as a rule, keeping the fediverse clean unfortunately means that hateful opinions must be shut down. And in that case the admin makes it clear in his recent post they want to keep hateful posts going on.

So defederation it is.

I was also initially against defederation. I believe that to combat bigotry and hate, we need to show that those things aren't tolerated, and also why the those things are wrong. And I still believe this, however I don't believe it's the right response to EH anymore.

They are coming on to other instances and making posts like this, this, this, and this. Each one an innocuous post, but each one containing a link back to their instance.

It appears they are recruiting for their instance in the time tested way of slow exposure to radicalization.

Time to stop their spread and defederate them. And when their users come over because they like our communities, then we can combat their bigotry and hate, and ban those who won't change.

I initially was against defederation. I went over there today and I've changed my mind. It's a trash heap of right wing extremist links. Dailymail, dailycaller, blaze, brietbart. It's every bit as ideologically motivated in the extreme right wing direction as lemmygrad is in the extreme left wing direction.

They are also calling for people to make alts and vote over here, so be aware. May want to check activity of posters when this vote finally goes down and check for low effort accounts that only voted and commented since today.

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In the longer term, I'd like to see rules that define when we will defederate an instance so that we don't have to discuss it on an instance by instance basis. Or maybe we will want to have a grey area for discussion, and a red line that results in instant-defederation. Either way it'd be nice to have that info posted publicly.

FWIW it seems like exploding heads has plenty of content that would break rules, is generating more all the time, and their admin has no interest in moderating it

I vote defedederation. This is a clear instance of "nip it in the bud". Additionally, drafting a clear code of what the terms of defedederation will entail in the future will help both users and mods. We're still new in this whole fediverse learning experience, so it's understandable that there will be challenges like this, but I personally will feel most comfortable in instances which are willing to take strong stances against bigotry and hate speech.

I think we should defederate from any alt-right or facist instance, do not give them a plataform.

At first I was against defederating from them, since even though I do not agree with their viewpoints, I was of the opinion that we should not be so hasty to defederate with anyone. I thought that it was against the spirit of the Fediverse.

However, I have since changed my mind. There are three types of federation in Lemmy: allow list, block list, and open. We aren't under any obligation federate anyone that feels like spinning up an instance.

The people on that instance, including its mods and admins, are a hate group. They break the sh.itjust.works rules of being respectful and having no bigotry. The exploding-heads content has no business even reaching the sh.itjust.works server, in my opinion.

It would also be a very bad look for us for sh.itjust.works users to create an account here and begin posting on instances which break our rules.

There is also the argument that, since we federate with a Nazi instance, we are also a Nazi instance. We had the "The Donald" and "Conspiracy Theories" communities which also supported that argument. Whether you agree with it or not, this is why we have been defederated from Beehaw, one of the larger Lemmy instances.

In addition to all of the ideological arguments above, they have opened themselves up to a botswarm invasion, and I think that is itself a reason to defederate them. It's a simple security concern!

Finally, I am in disbelief we are even voting on this a second time. I would have expected the moderator team to honor the previous vote to defederate from them. Any further discussion and vote should have been to re-federate with them.

Defederate nazis!

My vote: defederate.

Exploding-heads.com is full of disgusting, hateful, toxic shit.

Besides, it's not banning, it's defederating. If you have the bad taste to want to see that bigoted dumpster fire, you can always go over there. We don't need it over here.

But we all know that the chuds aren't happy staying in their little shitholes. They want to bring the shit here even though we've plainly said we don't want it.

They want to bully, and they want to recruit new chuds. Don't let them use sh.itjust.works for that.

Deplatforming works, and that's why all the fashies are having a screaming tantrum. Fascism can't spread if the rest of us don't let them use our spaces for that.

My vote remains to defederate. Their administration are among the worst of the bad actors; to me, that is the primary issue as the admins will determine the shape of the instance. I have already pretty much abandoned this instance though, so take of that what you will. There is, in my opinion, an excessive amount of hand wringing and foot dragging over what should be a pretty easy question. As a consequence we've been flooded with very obvious apologist accounts and their bad faith arguments to protect their friends. I'd like to keep this account active but I'm deeply unimpressed with how this has all been handled and I no longer have much faith that sh.itjust.works is able to prevent itself from becoming a nazi bar.

In general I think instances this large are a mistake.

There is no way to debate these people who have no concept of reality. They do not argue in good faith, so all they do is spread misinformation about vaccines, covid, and free elections, and hate for minorities. I think we should defederate from them.

Yes. Deport them. They're not sending their best people. They're sending their rapists and murderers.

I vote for defederation.

I'm in favour of sharing and experiencing diverse opinions but not where those opinions involve hatred and gross personal attacks on certain groups. People like this cannot be educated, cannot be persuaded, and their rhetoric causes a great deal of harm.

I would defederate.

I see no tangible benefit to associating with them. I don't see an esoteric benefit either.

If they want to be awful, but in an amplified and coordinated way, then I want no part of it.

Cancer doesn't need friends or allies.

I see nothing to be gained from remaining federated. Exploding heads doesn't offer a "diversity of opinion" or engage in good-faith debate any more than lemmygrad, and remaining federated will do nothing but fill our feeds with their low-effort hate trolling and sully our instance's reputation.

I vote for defederation.

Just looked at them, and to be honest, it is pathetic. Their uhh... interesting interpretations of the Bible, and that they dismiss the arguments of people who have the opposite political viewpoints. This, in my view, is unacceptable. They (the alt-right, which seems to be the primary users of the instance) really only want to humiliate left-of-centre people. And when humilitation is the goal, that is not an opinion, that is hate.

sh.itjust.works should not federate with (show content of) instances that is completely dismissive and hateful of a group of people.

I also think that defederation should only be used against extreme cases of botswarming, which is something that looks to be happening: 6727 total users against 108 active in the last month, and 139 in the past half-year.

Note that since Lemmy is new, if I invite someone to this server and they say extremely racist content, they're never going to give this platform another try.

You can watch my opinion evolve https://sh.itjust.works/comment/468378

It is no longer "like two people or something lol".

The difference between posts and comments is large as others pointed out (way more posts) and to me this indicates they are looking more for "you need MY content in your feed (because I said so)" more than "let's discuss this content". I prefer the latter.

I am now in favor of defederating exploding heads.

If you want that content in your feed, there are plenty of ways to get it. I don't.

I literally just joined, and I'm still wrapping my head around how all of this works, but I'd like to say this:

No matter which way this vote goes, I really appreciate how this is being handled: An open, honest and respectful debate amongst the users is by far the best way I've seen a "social network" try to handle content moderation.

Well done people.

Just a heads up to those walking in to this thread now: this is not a vote.

Please read the arguments for and against. Please upvote the arguments you find convincing so that they're pushed to the top. Please write a comment if you see a line of argumentation hasn't been explored or hasn't been expressed well in your opinion. This is not the vote. That will come after.

EDIT: Also, probably should have mentioned: the final vote will be for users of this instance, but the discussion phase is very much open to anybody. Please, if you're from another instance, participate.

Defederate they are not even a free speech instance. I really don't want to see them talking and making memes about children's gentiles when I sort by new.

I vote that we should defederate. While users are able to block this content, new users seeing it will not want to stay here. If this instance does not allow hate speech, then we should not be federating with those that do.

I understand that they currently have a small amount of users, but as with all MAGA communities I am certain it will grow fast, especially if allowed to federate with larger instances where they can share their views. I fear continuing to federate with them will lead to sh.itjust.works becoming a nazi bar situation.

I do understand if this instance does not want to moderate in this way, but I believe that it will lead to many moving to a community with more strict guidelines on federation. I know I would, as no part of me wants to read hate speech when I browse all.

For what it's worth. I was looking at the server statistics on https://the-federation.info/platform/73(linked from join-lemmy) and I noticed something. Almost all of the largest lemmy servers have far more comments than posts. The only two notable exceptions are lemmynsfw and exploding heads. They both have far more posts than comments. I'm not sure what it means, but it might be useful to someone in this discussion.

For example.

• sh.itjust.works has 5966 posts to 32670 comments

• exploding heads has 18406 posts to 5503 comments

I'm late to the discussion, but, I'd be a fan of temporary defederation until Lemmy supports users blocking entire instances. I'm not overly big on the idea of defederation in general, I feel like it hurts the fediverse overall. But I don't want to see those asshats either. I keep blocking the communities as they pop up. But it's not really my place to tell everyone else what kind of content they can and can't enjoy.

And I imagine that even on an instance that leans that way, there are probably still "normal" communities too. If the world's biggest and best "cute cat pictures" community somehow manages to spring up on an instance that also has a Nazi community, what then? If my only interaction with that instance and it's users are through cute cat pictures, and I don't ever know that the guy who posted the cat pic also happens to like swastikas and sucking camel dicks, why should I even care?

In the real world, unfortunately, the guys who like swastikas and sucking camel dicks also seem to really like telling everyone about it. So keeping them federated still gives them an ability to try to infect others. Because they definitely won't stay in their little box.

So anyways. It's hard. My preference is to leave it federated for those that want to see it, as long as there's an easy way to block it for those that don't. Since that doesn't exist just yet, I'd be for defederation for exactly as long as it takes for Lemmy to implement instance blocking at a user level. Then open it back up and everyone can make their own choice as they see fit.

I vote to defederate. The bot swarm by itself would be enough, but the inability of individual users to block instances means that those of us who do not want to see their garbage do not have another realistic option. If Lemmy ever gives user instance-blocking, then I would reserve defederation to botting and to illegal content and allow people to choose who to associate with on their own.

+1 on defederation

I'm sick of blocking each sub and user individually as they show up on my feed

I vote to defederate. Like I said before, I was looking for an Oregon community and the only one that showed up in search results was the exploding heads one, which had a long history of posts denigrating trans and homeless people. In this case, I think no content is better than awful content. I wouldn't want some Lemmy newbie joining this server and misconstruing the Oregon community federated from them as our own.

I'll preface by saying I'm not a user of this instance. My opinion is that alt-right is synonymous with fascists. Giving fascists any platform will always result in their attempts to silence you and take your platform away. I think the ability to defederate with toxic communities is a blessing we shouldn't fear so much. If their ideas are acceptable, they'll find an audience. Either by being accepted by other instances, or others joining theirs. I just think it's important to be loud about the decision so that if others want to hear their beliefs, they can check them out.

+1 Defederate. Save us the effort from blocking each of their users and communities.

In a Mastodon instance there is unidirectional communication. I can mute someone. That seems like a function that would be useful here. Is there a way to mute their instance (nothing inbound from them to my server) but they can receive from me? Why would I ask this? The minute I treat someone as though they are irredeemable, there is no reason for them to try to achieve redemption. If what we do here, all of us, is honorable, they’ll be able to see that. To some degree this can cause… Let’s call it dissension in the ranks.

We block their noise inbound to our servers, yes. But let them see the difference between what their pundits tell them, and what actually is.

Or, I may be completely wrong. I’ve been labeled an edgelord for having this position.

I think conversations about defederating instances being the top conversation day after day is going to be a major hindrance to growth.

While many love the fedeverse and the idea, a significant amount of people just want easy to find communities they can engage with, and this non stop internal politics will drive people off them.

Make a set of rules, stick to them. It shouldn't be a community vote or discussion every day.

I'm for defederation as well. If I could block an entire instance easily I would, but that isn't an option yet.

If anyone wants to view the content on that instance, make an account. It's easy and free. There is no limit to how many instances you can join if you want to.

This may be an incredibly stupid question, but don’t we, as individual users, have the option to block/mute instances we don’t want to see content from?

If so, I think that it should be left to the individual, rather than the instance.

I don’t like what I’ve seen from them, or from lemmygrad, so I tend to just ignore it.

I hate fascists like any sane person, but won't defederating will not only make them creating their own space? Just a thought.

Anyway, if they do, we can bomb them later. It's a "Aye" from me.

I think I will start a larger thread in the main community about what free speech means in the context of a somewhat anonymous internet. My current view is that while I want to promote openness and free speech that can really only work in a context where the person exercising their speech feels some necessity to use it responsibly and in an honest way. On the internet that takes a lot of self control because the social norms of every day life don't always apply because a) no one knows who you are b) there is not a human being right in front of you that you might feel empathy for c) there are no consequences to anything you say d) not all posts are even by humans. With all these taken together there is a compelling argument that speech may need to be more highly regulated on the internet than in face to face interactions. With the present instance we are discussing they may fit the mold as they have bots ( which don't have any right to free speech ) and posts which seem to be more focused on attacking people in bad faith rather than having honest discussion. I think the point I do want to make though is it's not the speech itself that I find that is the problem it's the methods of the speech : bots, and trollish attack posts; that I take issue with. I think that speech where the person is just mistaken, wrong, or I disagree with them should be allowed. I might change my mind on that in the future but that is my current stance.

So... Every bit of content I've seen from there is awful, the people seem pretty shitty and for what it's worth, I'm subscribed through lemmy.world so my opinion really shouldn't matter.

... But I don't think you should deferate them. Lemmy is new, the fediverse is new, and setting the precedent that lots of instances are willing to deferate instances basically because of political and ideological difference isn't healthy.

It sets the expectation that if you want a forum where you can speak reasonably freely, you'd better sign up somewhere where the mods and all the users share your opinions. I came to Lemmy hoping to have more personal control over how much of an echo chamber I live in, not less.

Yeah maybe another vote, people seem very passionate about this now maybe the result will be different. I'm not pro defederating instances but I don't feel that much positive feelings over the dogswill that gets posted in exploding heads. They literally just recreated /pol/ which happens to be the dumbest board on 4chan that most people outside /pol/ hate.

I just went there, front page of their local is all the usual suspects

• breitbart
• townhall
• truthsocial
• thegatewaypundit
• newsmax
• dailycaller

It's as if /r/the_donald put up it's own lemmy instance.

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works Question for you tangentially related to this: our prior vote on Agora voting being sh.it.heads* only - do we have an official stance on this right now? Seemed like that was the case but it was a pre-mod vote that is not listed in the results record.

Does have some bearing on how tomorrow will go down.

*("Sh.itheads" - pfft, splitters. Can't wait until we get this and the defederation policy out of the way so we can vote on the important stuff, like the term sh.it.heads being obviously superior :p)

Moderation should be accomplished with an iron fist for now, growth before anything. I vote yes.

I don't know, it was pretty fun on Reddit to go to subs like globalskepticism (a sincere flat earth sub) and argue with crazies for a bit. I had a mildly interesting argument with someone anti trans on that instance. If we stay federated, we can continue to downvote hate things into oblivion so it doesn't turn into a complete echo chamber.

It's honestly pretty pathetic that there even needs to be a dialogue around this. Defederate or knowingly allow the cancer of hate and poorly masked dishonesty to spread. It's a very obvious decision that does not require deliberation. Nip it and mock every attempt they make to seem reasonable.

I vote not to defederate.

I agree with the Chinese Bot Troll on this one. I like open stuff. For me, personally, we've already defederated too much. I don't care enough about EH that it'd matter to me too much, but if it were up to me we wouldn't defederate anything that wasn't either a bot instance or a scam instance. As long as we have enough moderators to keep policy violators away, and we continue to observe, I don't see a reason to defederate. Then again, we've already defederated too much so I'm not too invested in this.

Nay, but only slightly. like 51-49

I like challenging them, and if sh.itjust.works defederates from them, I won't be able to! :(

Even though I don't agree with what seems to be the general sentiment there, I still say Nay.

Lemmy is pretty fresh for the most of us still, and is in an incredible growing phase that could amplify in two days when the Reddit API goes down for third party apps.
Still, too many posts these days are about defederating left and right. All communities here are fresh and trying to find their footing, ours included. If we shut the door on all instances that have issues this fast, we're sabotaging the potential growth of this platform, in my opinion.

I'm not saying that anything should go, but let's not allow a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

If they keep allowing the horseshit to flow, I am very open to changing my vote.

I disagree with defederation. It shouldn't be used simply for blocking disputable instances like exploding-heads or lemmygrad. All this does is give them more arguments about censorship and remove possibility of discussions where you could argue about some information, making those people there believe what they see just on their tiny community more and more, because that's all they'll see.
I do support defederation in 2 cases:

1. The instance is filled with spammers/bots invading other instances.
2. The instance includes illegal and unethical content. (With no intention of its removal)

I think federation should be used as a tool for combatting spam (brigading included) and dealing with instances that allow illegal content or that promote actual violence.

De-federating is not the tool to use because you don't like seeing the content in your feed, you can block the communities. De-federating isn't the tool to enforce this instances moderation rules on other instance's communities.

Brigading is certainly a concern and if their users were doing that we would need to reach out to their admin to attempt to resolve the issue. As a last resort we could de-federate to mitigate the problem.

I'm not at all defending the ideas on EH or the user's posts or comments. There are some truly disgusting opinions being represented there. I just haven't seen them cross the line into allowing violence to be planned, or allowing CSAM or spamming.

It is very important to understand that de-federation is just a global block list that is enforced on every user on this instance. It is convenient for the users to have spam instances automatically blocked and for the users to not have to worry about CSAM in their feed. Beyond that, if a user wants to read alt-right content then it isn't up to me to tell them that they cannot.

If you want to block content that is 100% up to you, nobody can tell you who you can block. In exactly the same way you should not attempt to exercise any control over another user's block list.

De-federation is just a block list. Curate your own block list otherwise let the admins remove spam and obviously illegal stuff. De-federation isn't a super downvote button an we should not use it as such.

No to defederation. As long as their instance is not significatly impacting this instance, I'm against it.

Seriously, I have seen neither a thread nor one of their users on this instance.

“ Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.”

This seems like a great compromise.

If you feel so strongly that you’d like to continue to interact with everyone here, and you don’t want to see stuff from another particular instance, then this is a great option.

I vote no action is needed here on this instance.

I believe in freedom of speech and that everyone should allow or block something he/she doesn't like, so I'm against defederating.

No, do not participate and block the communites if you want to. This should be a platform for free speech. Just because you don't like it does not mean it should be defederated.

I absolutely do not support what they say or do, but I think anyone should be able to discuss anything, not just stuff I support. That's what free speech is, and I am 100% against ANY form of censorship.

I haven't seen anything from them and I don't go looking for it. But if every instance defederated something they don't like, Lemmy will absolutely fail. No one wants to use 87 different instances so they have a complete experience. Every instance will be a special place for their snowflakes

I'm sick and tired of all the complaining.

Don't defederate. Just ignore them. Users should have the option to block entire instances. I don't agree that instances should be defederated just because it offends people. Where does it stop? There's no end to it

Who here has concrete examples of content from exploding-heads that is objectionable and wasn't immediately downvoted, blocked, and/or banned? Terms like "Nazi bar" have been thrown around quite freely recently and it's giving me a bit of boy-who-cried-wolf vibes. Being conservative does not make you a Nazi. Being a troll does not make you a Nazi. Voting for Trump does not make you a Nazi. Perhaps some members of exploding-heads ARE Nazis, but calling any viewpoint you don't agree with as fascist or evil cheapens the term and prevents discourse.

I'm sure there is stuff on that instance that I won't want to see. But that's what the "block" option is for. When I first joined sh.itjust.works, nearly half of my /all was Hentai which I have no interest in seeing, and frankly found some of it disturbing. But I blocked those communities and now have an experience I enjoy.

Count me in the "defederation as a last resort when all else has failed" crowd. Over-fragmentation leads to less content, less engagement, and more echo chambers. If an army of Nazi bots suddenly floods us out, then we can take an appropriate action - but I have no evidence to suggest that is currently happening.

There are some valid arguments to be made, and a vote shall be based on the greater good; here is what i consider, in order of significance:

• The moral argument: What would closing myself off from others make out of me? Would building a wall toward people who are hateful not be a hateful act the same? After all, these are the type of people who want to build walls on borders to their neighbouring countries ... these are also the types who want to ban specific literature which they hate from schools, so would i be any better if i were to ban their scribblings now?
  Then there's the rightful argument that intolerance can not be tolerated. I think this is often misunderstood, as "the intolerant" (people) must be banned, not the intolerance itself. Did i witness them doing unbearable acts of intolerance or harrassment outside of their home space? -- Not that i'm aware of.
  Is nurturing the cultural schism that is dividing the global population actually giving me a good future perspective for human civilisation? -- No it isn't. I can do better. It's actually hurting my intelligence if i just shut the door on someone, just because i don't like what they are doing in their own space.
  It should also be mentioned here, that people who have grown such a mindset may be psychologically challenged. Abused children who lost contact with part of their souls. It's counter-productive to deny them access to what i believe to be a more sane society.
  1 point for not defederating. The moral argument alone would actually suffice but let's also see the others.
• The legal argument: Does exploding-heads have any content that must not be replacated on this server because it would create a legal liability in Canada? -- I don't know that, so i'll have to pass this question on.
• The actual purpose of the tool: Defederation is mainly a method to protect the network and servers from malicious actors, alongside legal reasons. So, did the inhabitants of exploding-heads attempt disruption of the network or in communities in a significant amount that would warrant denying all of them access to this server? -- Not that i am aware of. If it wasn't for a handful of campaigners pulling my attention to that server, i would perhaps not even be aware of it's existance. Of course, i do not especially track those people, so if there are examples of nasty behaviour i would kindly ask to bring forward direct links to posts and comments they made on this server.
  In the case of "they are becoming a bot farm", the right way to take would be to first ask them to do something about it, and only if there is no sufficient reaction, defederate.
  +1 for not defederating.
• Would defederating solve anything? -- Well, there's the argument that "i don't want to help them spread their message by replicating it". That might seem valid until we notice that their server is doing the same with our content. And we have far more content than what they produce.
  To the contrary i would argue, because if someone from exploding-heads would seriously want to troll this server, then it would become harder to recognise them if they needed to make another account somewhere else.
  Further, defederating from one right-wing server would create a precedent which would call up the same discussion every time a new community of that kind would come along. We wouldn't be able to stop it. And what would we do when finally a per-user instance ban became available, would we revert?
  Adding to that, i see this more or less as a symptom of the USA-internal kind of civil schism they have, that is democratic against antidemocratic. Coming from a country that has it's own share of extremists and also a history of fascism, walls and fences between countries and all -- i ask myself if i would want to react the same way if those people would turn up with their own instance: demanding from my Lemmy instance to defederate from them? ... Or similar things coming from any other country? How much support would that get, and why would i support the US-internal divisiveness?
  +1 for not defederating.

So i think it's clear. Too much text. ...
As much as i find exploding heads despickable (alone the name makes me want to stay away) -- defederation is just not the way to go. We should better have clear guidelines for the use of that tool, so as to not turn it into a weapon, and so as to not have political campaigners draw too much attention. I'd also suggest to use the bounty program to incentivise developers to make better management tools available.

Can't we soft defederate? Stop dividing lemmy in the same way we divided mastodon, please.

Wholly against defederation for anything beyond procedural shit like bot instances. If someone doesn't want to see content, they can block it themselves. Why should everyone be inconvenienced because a handful of crybabies are too lazy to just curate their own feed

FYI- you've lost any shred of credibility you had by deleting completely respectful comments that you disagree with. So much for open discussion.

You may as well defederate from every other instance right now, you can be master of your own bedroom.

"Remember, every voice matters and your contribution can make a difference. We believe that through open dialogue, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to discovery, we can foster a community that embodies the democratic spirit of the Agora in our modern world."

Closing off other instances is the exact opposite of the statement above.

Intelligent and brave people are willing to hear all sides to an argument. Only weak cowardly people run away from people with different views.

No, to make Lemmy successful you need as many people to join and produce content. Even if that's content you don't like. It still brings more people, makes Lemmy more popular. Just block communities you don't want to see but leave the connections up to support the network.

No, we should respect people who have different opinions. The only thing that should be banned are illegal acts and spam.

Banning an instance just because you disagree with them only means you have weak arguments.

I suggest TheDude imaqtpie meet up with the exploding-heads admins. I'm sure they will work with you to make any needed changes. They are already calling for such a meeting.

https://exploding-heads.com/post/162074

Please be mindful that defederation hurts the entire fediverse. If you can workout with the admins I suggest that is a more helpful scenario.

There is currently an attack lemmygrad is carrying out against exploding-heads. Because they are bored or something. Also remember what I said before there are lots of people with multiple accounts here.

Thanks,

• Black Conservative -

Wait... We're now de-federating because people have different political views? The way I see it, you shouldn't pick and choose who you want to talk to, to get answers. You need everyone's point of view for a balanced argument \ conversation.
To me this is just as bad as the Reddit corporates banning people for not fitting the narrative they want.

Lemmy to me, and for most people, is a way to communicate with free speech and little censorship. Otherwise, in the future, it will just be a bunch of people questioning and answering all agreeing with each-other. You need opposing sides for a balanced server.