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Looking for moderators for Sopuli's communities \ Etsitään moderaattoreita Sopulin yhteisöille

10mon 18d ago by sopuli.xyz/u/Lazycog in meta@sopuli.xyz

Hello Sopuli,

We have quite a few communities that have been abandoned / moderator has abandoned fediverse, so we are looking for moderators who would like to adopt some of these communities.

For the communities that we don't find any people to moderate we will add a sticky post with information on how to adopt these communities and hopefully redirect people to an active community that has a somewhat similar purpose/topic.

List of communities below:

Hei Sopuli,

Meillä on melko paljon yhteisöjä, jotka on hylätty / moderaattori on lähtenyt fediversestä, joten etsimme moderaattoreita jotka haluaisivat ottaa joitakin näistä yhteisöistä hoitaakseen.

Yhteisöihin, joihin emme löydä moderaattoreita, laitamme pystyyn postauksen jossa selitetään miten kyseisen yhteisön voi ottaa hoitaakseen ja ohjaamme postauksessa käyttäjät samankaltaiseen, aktiivisempaan yhteisöön.

Alla on luettelo yhteisöistä:

Active communities in need of moderators \ Aktiiviset yhteisöt jotka tarvitsisivat moderaattoreita:

Communities that subscribers wish would be more active \ Yhteisöjä joiden seuraajat toivoisivat olevan aktiivisempia:

Some of the following are active communities, but all of them would need moderation \ Jotkin seuraavista ovat aktiivisia yhteisöjä, mutta jokainen niistä tarvitsisi moderointia:

Then we had a user who made an account, made million communities but left shortly after \ Meillä oli käyttäjä joka loi miljoona yhteisöä ja lähti sitten menemään:

Finnish cities \ Suomen kaupunkeja:

Language learning \ kielten oppiminen:

Operating systems, programming, tech \ käyttöjärjestelmät, ohjelmointi, tekniikka:

Spirituality, Religion, Philosophy \ Henkisyys, uskonto ja filosofia:

Hobbies \ harrastukset:

Random \ satunnaiset:

I'd also like to remind you all of donating to Lemmy's developers, whether it's via Patreon, Liberapay, crypto or other methods. They work full-time with this brilliant open-source software, and as there are no ads, donating is the only way to ensure it.

Haluaisin myös muistuttaa teitä kaikkia lahjoittamisesta Lemmyn kehittäjille, oli se sitten Patreonin, Liberapayn, kryptovaluutan tai muun keinon kautta. He työskentelevät täysipäiväisesti tämän loistavan avoimen lähdekoodin ohjelmiston parissa, ja kun mainoksia ei ole, lahjoittaminen on ainoa tapa tämän varmistamiseksi.

And since QuentinCallaghan (I guess) is too modest to bang his own drum, there's patreon link for Sopuli instance itself on FAQ.

Thanks for your work maintaining this instance!

Lemmy's developers are tankie transphobes. And if you're gonna say it's only Nutomic, I'm gonna retort that the rest of them put up with that cryptofascist. They don't deserve a cent until they shut down lemmy.ml.

For the communities that we don’t find any people to moderate we will add a sticky post with information on how to adopt these communities and hopefully redirect people to an active community that has a somewhat similar purpose/topic.

There seems to be quite a few completely empty communities on that list and while they have some subscribers I don't think it's worthwhile to keep them around. At least for random few I checked there's already alternatives on other instances with same name so at least I don't see any value on keeping an empty shell just in case.

A very good observation. The user who created bunch of communities that are completely empty also created some communities that will probably never have any real use case. At least I don't believe there will be any use for a dead community named "cocaine".

I'll discuss this, thanks for your input!

Edit: we decided to remove some dead communities entirely and we'll further discuss which ones could be just deleted.

I think the Fediverse/Lemmyverse needs a general solution or protocol to handle this situation. I would like to see a canned plan for what will happen to these communities if they aren't claimed, and a timeline for when.

I think there needs to be some means of archiving abandoned communities so that they become read-only, but are still indexed and searchable on the fediverse (there might be perfectly good information and history that we want to preserve for future denizens of the Fediverse (fedizens?).

Then in the future, if someone comes along and tries to make a new community with the same name on the same instance, either:

  1. The old community gets revived under new management, or
  2. The old community posts remain read-only, perhaps all old posts get "versioned" or "generationed" in some way so that it's clear they happened under prior management, but are included in the history of the new community that is "masking" its name.

I like some version of option 2, personally.

The problem of random communities coming and going over time will never end for lemmy, and for the future of the fediverse I think it's important we come up with a solution that doesn't involve either making ad-hoc requests for new leadership or deleting the communities entirely.

Just my two cents, thanks again for your efforts!

Edit: I notice some of these communities are literally empty. I feel like those should just be autodeleted after a certain amount of time. It's basically the same as if the mod never made it.

Very good write up, and I mostly agree.

I'm not part of lemmy development and haven't closely followed Pyfed development but I believe there has been some discussion around this. Especially since some communities that are indexed on sopuli are from instances that have shut down.

The reason why we went with "if anyone wants to pick up a community, here they are" and "we are adding a permanent redirect to abandoned communities" is because we noticed that some communities are indeed low activity but "high" subscriber count. We kinda wanted to offer new users answers for their searches: e.g. if they search for a soccer community - that currently exists but is empty - they find the community with a redirect to football community.

But you are right that this isn't a very good permanent solution and I am also hoping for a native lemmy feature for this problem.

Thanks for the thoughts! We'll have to discuss the possibility of just deleting the empty communities like you suggested.

Edit: we decided to remove some dead communities entirely and we'll further discuss which ones could be just deleted.

I am very interested in collapse@sopuli.xyz as I am a geologist and understand the physics/material reality of the cliff the earth has irrevocably launched itself off of.

I would be a new moderator, and I know this might be a touchy one to start with, but this is a topic I find I am driven to understand lucidly to a point most other people can't handle thinking about because the reality is so hopelessly brutal.

Offer is open, I know I have lots of strong opinions and comment lots so I understand any reaction to this, but if no one else is interested I am willing.

Sounds like the community is right up your alley. Make a post/comment there and we'll make you a mod!

Edit: just to add: we expect sopuli's instance rules to be followed and a good discussion environment. But I do believe you are up for it. Thanks for stepping up!

cplusplus@sopuli.xyz should probably be deleted and/or merged into https://programming.dev/c/cpp

I was hoping to get some Finnish C++ forum active there to differentiate, but since mine is the only post, I don't think it's going to catch on.

Though I don't mind taking the mod hat if there is interest for Finnish C++ forum at some point.

Good idea!

You could take over the community if you want, make a redirect post similar to the ones we have made in now-locked communities towards the programming.dev one, and lock the community for time being. You can unlock it anytime if there's a need or you have an idea for the community.

Would that sound good?

Sure, I'm not sure about how exactly it works just yet but if that's what has been done with other communities, that sounds good to me.

Awesome! I'll make you a mod there and then you'll see some options such as "only moderators are allowed to post", which is kind of "locking the community (you don't have to do this if you don't want to).

You can almost just copy-paste the post on arab@sopuli.xyz, post it in your community, and make it a "sticky" (I believe in lemmy-web-ui it's called "feature post in community").

You are free to do as you will though. It can be open for e.g. finnish c++ discussion too and still have the stickied post to redirect general discussion to the active programming dev community.

Edit: appointed you as a mod now

All right. Thanks, I'll set it up right away!

That would be totally fine! No point in having a dead community if there is one with atleast low activity, so we can make a sticky post there and redirect to dbzer0's community!

I'll write a similar post to all the redirect posts in a bit and then add it to the arab community on sopuli :)

Edit: redirect post set in that community now

What would it entail? I've moderated on other platforms before but not on the fediverse :)

I guess it would be similar! Just making sure the community follows sopuli's instance rules at minimum :)

You can of course additionally have your own community rules and enforce them.

Cool! Do you have a link to the sopuli instance rules?

If you use the default web-UI you should see them in our instance sidebar on the main page, if you use an app it varies where you see them. But you can always just go to sopuli.xyz via a browser and you should have it right there in the sidebar, below some general info :)

Edit: right below the sopuli mascot image in the sidebar

Football on Sopuli is active and has got active mods already (they migrated from .ee). You may already close Soccer and redirect to Football.

Ah I missed this! Thanks for pointing it out! I'll add a redirect from soccer.

Happy to take on wicca@sopuli.xyz

Sounds good! Make a post there and we'll make you a mod

Done! Cheers

And you are a mod there now, thanks!

edit: too many a's

I'd be happy to take over Spanish if that's okay

It's more than okay, thanks for stepping up! If you could make a post there I'll appoint you as a mod right after.

Done btw!

And you are a mod now, thanks!

Sopii! Laita molempiin yhteisöihin viestiä ja teen sinusta niihin valvojan.

Se käy! Voit toki muuttaa yhteisön nimen, mutta alkuperäistä "osoitetta" eli yhteisön osoite@sopuli.xyz:iä ei tietääkseni voi muuttaa. Nimen vaihtaminen muuttaa yhteisön näyttönimen ja näyttönimi myös ilmestyy hakutuloksissa / nimeä voi hakea hausta näyttönimellä.

Jos se haittaa niin voit myös toki luoda uuden yhteisön oikealla osoite-nimellä ja voidaan keskustella tuon Translator yhteisön poistamisesta / uudelleenohjataan käyttäjät tuosta yhteisöstä sinun yhteisöösi. Kuulostaa siltä että sinä olisitkin sitten just sopiva moderoimaan molempia yhteisöjä :)

Edit: Quentin kerkes ensin!

Se käy! ja voit myös itse päättää mihin suuntaan viet yhteisöä (yhteisön säännöt, logo / banner, tarkoitus, yms.). Kuhan sopulin instanssisäännöt pitävät. Mutta se tuskin on ongelma noissa yhteisöissä :)

Toki! tein saman täällä: languagelearning@sopuli.xyz, laitoin vaan sopulin säännöt sivupalkkiin ihan muistutuksena niille jotka eivät ole sopulin käyttäjiä eivätkä nää meidän sivupalkkia.

edit: lisään sun yhteisöt languagelearningin sivupalkkiin kun pääsen kotiin; tuo languagelearning-yhteisö on lähinnä kaikille jotka opettelee kieliä ja niille jotka eivät ole vielä löytäneet muita aktiivisia yhteisöjä omalle kohdekielelle.

python@sopuli.xyz should probably be consolidated towards python@programming.dev.

This one was easy and clear, thanks! We added a sticky post to the community for redirecting users.

I don't know what the mead@sopuli.xyz was supposed to be about but if it is meant to be about making mead it is unnecessary because there is already homebrewing@sopuli.xyz

We agreed that it should stay general for everything beer, mead, wine ... until there is really demand for splitting it to neache community's.

Ah you are right, and the homebrewing one has nice original content too!

Think we can delete the mead one since it's completely empty and quite niche.

Thanks for brining this to our attention.

Glad to help in my community it isn't that active but still better than that one.

I unfortunately don't have that much time for it now but it is still moderated (even if it seems dead for some time). That's what's happens when me (the mod) goes biketouring for half a year.

No need to have constant flow of content, as long as you guys have a community to go to and like to post to, it's all good!

Glad to hear and woah, that sounds pretty cool, hope you had a good time! Sounds like the moderation is active enough :)

I doubt your community will ever attract a lot of bad actors and if something pops up we know that there are other eyes on the community and we can help. If you are not available it's not the end of the world :) it's the communities that have no eyes and the mod has clearly left fediverse that we worry about. Anyone can just post anything there.

Edit: words

I'm surprised there are this many communities on Sopuli.

I checked out 10 that I might be interested in and none of them had posts during the last year, some of them never.

Yeah many of the listed were created by the same user who just created a lot of communities and disappeared shortly after.

We will probably remove those which are completely empty and which won't find a moderator (or post a redirect to a more active equivalent and lock the community for now).

Between these, I can take on the Termux community!

Sounds good, make a post there and we'll make it happen!

I know something I can post that can helpful, but I need to be at home for it

You can do that and notify me, or you can just make a hello post for now if you prefer. Either way, let me know :)

Hello! I did a simple post. Didn't find the time.

I wanted to make one big guide post about setting up Termux as an almost fully features Linux environment. Online guides can be spread out.

No worries, small posts are also what make up a community! Thanks for pitching in, you have been appointed a mod in that community few seconds ago.

edit: meant to say big posts are awesome, but small posts are also nice!

Thank you!

I wouldn't mind modding spanish@sopuli.xyz, although it doesn't seem very active :P

Same for atheism@sopuli.xyz

Edit: 1000 communities and someone asked for spanish before me. Dang.

Ah @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz beat you to it, but I'm sure you two could share the moderation if DigitalAudio agrees, what say @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz?

But atheism for sure, thanks for stepping up! Could you make a post there so I can appoint you as a mod :)

Edit: yeah out of all of the communities listed lol. Should play lottery tonight

What can I say? Us Spanish speakers love our own language.

I've made a post! It's fine if they want to keep Spanish. I offered because I'm from Spain, so no language barrier lol.

Hey fair enough, I'm also a native so we're aligned there lol

Done. And that's yeah just noticed in your bio! I think they might appreciate a native hanging in the community :)

Edit: no need of course, moderating one community can be quite a task on its own

I'd like to take Netflix and Linux Mint, I've made posts on both just now.

thanks for your help in the other post!

I'd also like to mention that there's a rather active linux4noobs community on programming.dev if you'd like to redirect there

The community on sopuli seems empty, I'll add a redirect. Thanks for the tip!

Done, done, and no problem :) thanks for stepping up!

Mi parolas esperanto iomete, tial mi povus moderigxi esperanto@sopuli.xyz 🫠 I often play TF2 so you know 🫣

Ne en unu tago elkreskis Kartago, bonan ŝancon!... Or something, that's the best I could do with wikipedia at hand :)

Make a post in the two communities and I'll add you as a mod!

esperanton*

Gxi estas akusativo. (Kaj mi ankaux jam ne povas bone paroli esperanton... Devus gxin lingvon usi pli)

Hey Khaleer, any update on this? Totally fine if you are no longer up for modding; just need to be able to determine whether we still need to look for a mod on TF2 and esperanto communities.

Oj... Unu demando: Kiel la esperanto estas konektita kun Team Fortress?

I'd be happy to take over gai@sopuli.xyz. I hadn't realized there was a sopuli community for it, or I would have already been sharing some interesting articles there. I made a post here.

I'd also be happy to help as a moderator for anarchychess@sopuli.xyz. I don't have as much to contribute there, but I've always enjoyed following that community. It might be better to have a lead mod there that is more active within the community though, so if anyone else wants that position I'd be happy to concede it to them. I have a comment here.

A lot of the smaller communities here sound really interesting as well, but are completely devoid of posts. I agree with some of the other comments here that I think those communities should be retired, let someone else restart them later if they're motivated to foster a new community.

Okilly dokilly, I'll add you as a moderator for those two communities.

oops, sorry I dropped off the face of the earth. I was meaning to add another mod on anarchychess anyway since I'm not that active. bocchitherock@sopuli.xyz needs a new mod as well, i'll go make a post

Ah sweet, that'd be nice. Hope you are okay and hope you don't mind a new mod on anarchychess.

Would appreciate if you can look for mods on the comm itself as this post was mostly triggered by increase in reported activity.

I was going to offer to moderate French but I see there are two other communities with the same purpose of teaching French (https://sh.itjust.works/c/maydaylapprendre and https://lemmy.world/c/french).So maybe this one could be merged?

That would be a good idea!

I also see this as a good idea, but I checked out these communities and their mods seem to be also somewhat inactive on lemmy and there isn't any more activity than on the sopuli one. While lemmy.world and SJW are really well administered instances that will deal with any issues quickly, I'd like to consider some options first maybe?

I would have never found the first one with the community name, so I'd like to ask if you happen to know any other communities like that on lemmy?

I see on the last post in the French community on sopuli, a user is redirecting to forumlibre@jlai.lu, which is more active.

Next time, feel free to ask on forumlibre@jlai.lu, it's quite more active than this community

Ohh missed that! Am I completely wrong thinking that forumlibre is just a french speaking community for everything? Wondering how they would like us redirecting to them.

I mean we do have languagelearning@sopuli.xyz that also has french learners. This community was meant as a catch-all language learning community with more activity for languages that don't necessarily have an active community yet on lemmy. We can redirect there too if we don't have a dedicated and active space yet!

Unlike the reddit equivalent languagelearning@sopuli.xyz also accepts language specific questions and talk.

You're right, the other communities have indeed a different goal or are inactive. I should have looked more thoroughly in the first place

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you throwing out ideas as I am quite lost with french :) no need to become a detective!

I guess we could redirect to languagelearning@sopuli.xyz community unless you'd like to personally take up the community under moderation (or we can do both, that you take it over and redirect until there's a demand for learning community for french specifically).

What do you think?

Yes, that's a good idea! I would be happy to take over the community then. And we can see if there's enough activity or if it's better to direct people somewhere else.

Awesome! Make a post / comment there and I can make you a mod! Doesn't need to be anything fancy if you don't have an idea, can be a "word of the day" type of a post :)

Done! Thanks for your help :)

Thanks for stepping up :) made you a mod now

So I guess one should have a Sopuli.xyz account to be a moderator huh ??

Because I am kind of interested in moderating tech-based communities (esp. Privacy ones)

It seems like there are quite a few privacy communities that are significantly more active on lemmy, we'll discuss redirection for privacy comm.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/31451536/18239441

Actually I'm willing (Not trying to pick a fight here) but hey let's see if that community gets integrated

As there's no rush on these things I suppose I'll step up and try to do my best with oulu@sopuli.xyz. Post mentioning this already in place.

Thanks for stepping up! I personally also took up lahti@sopuli.xyz even though I no longer live there.

Hyvin huomattu, kiitos! Korjaan.

Happy to take on buddhism@sopuli.xyz

Make a post there and it's all yours!

Ok done, will start posting a bit weekly anyway.

You have been appointed as a mod in that community now! Recommend advertising your community on newcommunities@lemmy.world and communitypromo@lemmy.ca :)

Consolidation suggestions for privacy@sopuli.xyz:

privacy@programming.dev or privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

Discussion and links here: https://lemmy.zip/post/45491339

We'd be fine with redirect, but I'll wait until the discussion in the linked post comes to somekind of conclusion. It seems the fxomt might lock privacy@dbzero and we would preferably not redirect to a locked community :)

(we will probably redirect to more than one community because I personally follow a few and feel like if you only subscribe to one you'll miss out). The redirect is mostly for new users afterall!

Edit: seems like the discussion didn't end with locking that community on dbzer0, so we will probably mention it as well in the redirect post on sopuli.

privacy@programming.dev seems to have more active posters, but dbzer0 can probably be mentioned too

Yeah the whole privacy community consolidation topic seems prettty tough.

I think in the headline of redirect post we can mention programming.dev since it's picking up momentum, but we'll add all the active communities in post body so people can just follow them all if they want and want to keep up with all of the posts for now (i do that currently).

Thanks for your efforts with this blaze.

I have a script which searches an aggregation of 3 different datasets, and tags them based on freedom and digital sovereignty factors. So instances with “🗽☯” symbolise freedom and balance (thus not so big as to effectively be centralised). Those tagged with a warning (“⚠”) are not in Cloudflare’s walled garden, but they have allowed themselves to grow more than 2 standard deviations above the average node size and thus approach centralised places. Those with a castle 🏰 are in Cloudflare and should simply be avoided by anyone who opposes tech giant tyranny.

Other symbols are either non-lemmy or nodes not known to the dataset that tracks cloudflare. lemm.ee is Cloudflare, btw.

programming.dev is not a good choice because it sends people to Cloudflare. It’s like sending people to Facebook.

When I search for “privacy“, I get:

🗽☯europe.pub/c/privacy (239/463) “Privacy”
🗽☯sopuli.xyz/c/FightForPrivacy (64/455) “Fight For Privacy”
🗽☯diggita.com/c/sicurezza (789/66) “Sicurezza Informatica, Privacy e lotta al capitalismo della sorveglianza”
🗽☯sopuli.xyz/c/privacy (897/53) “Privacy”
🗽☯europe.pub/c/PrivacyGuides (119/28) “Privacy Guides”
🗽☯feddit.it/c/privacypride (391/27) “Privacy Pride”
🗽☯lemmygrad.ml/c/privacy (240/12) “Privacy”
🗽☯sopuli.xyz/c/privacysecurityosint (412/1) “Privacy, Security, and OSINT Show”
🗽☯rqd2.net/c/websafety (1/1) “online safety and privacy, for paras”
🗽☯lemmygrad.ml/c/digitalprivacy (118/1) “Digital Privacy”
🗽☯lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/c/sap (5/1) “Security Anonymity Privacy”
🗽☯l.posterdati.it/c/privacy (2/1) “Privacy 🕵”
🗽☯feddit.uk/c/privacysecuk (264/1) “Privacy & Security UK”
🗽☯krabb.org/c/privacy (5/0) “Privacy”
🧺fedia.io/emailprivacy “Email Privacy”
🧺fedia.io/privacy “Privacy”
📰privacy@lemm.ee
⚠feddit.org/c/datenschutz “Datenschutz - Privacy - Digitale Selbstverteidigung”
⚠lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/thenexusofprivacy “The Nexus of Privacy”
⚠lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/privacy “Privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/vpn “Privacy is a right. Learn about how you can best protect your privacy in this channel”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privatelife “privatelife - privacy, security, freedom advocacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacypride “Privacy Pride Europe”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacyonandroid “Privacy on Android”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacyinternational “Privacy International”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacyguides “Privacy Guides”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacydo “Do Privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/privacy “Privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/extremeprivacy “Extreme Privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/exodus “Exodus privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/europrivacy “Europe Privacy”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/dataprivacy “GDPR (RGPD) / Apply LegalTech to Defend European Dataprivacy Rights”

↓ Kingdoms under the imperial Cloudflare empire ↓
🏰lemmy.ca🌩|privacycanada “Privacy Canada Edition”
🏰lemmy.ca🌩|privacy “privacy”
🏰lemmy.one🌩|theprivacypodcast “The Privacy, Security, and OSINT Show”
🏰lemmy.one🌩|privacyguides “Privacy Guides”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|thenexusofprivacy “The Nexus of Privacy”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|protonprivacy “Proton ”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|privacypride “Privacy Pride International”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|privacyhub “Privacy Hub”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|privacycoins “Privacy Coins”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|privacy “Privacy”
🏰monero.town🌩|privacy “privacy”
🏰programming.dev🌩|privacy “Privacy”
🏰sh.itjust.works🌩|digitalescapetools “Digital Escape Tools — Privacy & FOSS”
🏰zerobytes.monster🌩|privacy “Privacy in the digital age”

On the good nodes, (x/y) means (subscribers/active recent posts).

It’s also worth noting that there are some communities for specific privacy topics, such as:

🗽☯lemmy.sdf.org/c/digi_fiefdom_required (121/1) “Digital Fiefdom (aka walled-garden) Required 🏰” 🗽☯lemmy.sdf.org/c/email_required (126/1) “Email Required (digital exclusion of people without email) 📧” 🗽☯sopuli.xyz/c/right_to_unplug (125/32) “Right to be Offline / Analog / Unplugged 🔌📪📖📟📝” 🗽☯lemmy.sdf.org/c/smartphone_required (277/65) “Smartphone Required 📱(digital exclusion of people without smartphones)”

Thanks for such a detailed post, and neat tool you got there!

This thread is a bit old and we've stopped working on this one (will make a new mod-call post later for the ones we didn't resolve). But I want to answer your new meta post in a moment.

I only use Lemmy every few days, so I'm maybe not the best choice, but I would like to convey my feelings on veganism@sopuli.xyz using the words of Isaac Bashevis Singer:

What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

I'd like to adopt the community.

Also, Wicca and Alchemy belong in the spirituality category.

If you make such inflammatory statements as "all meat-eaters are Nazis", I'm not giving the community for you.

Okay. I guess this isn't the sort of instance where vegans can speak honestly about animal abuse, so it would be for the best if the community stays unmoderated.

By the way, Isaac Bashevis Singer was a Jewish holocaust survivor. He knows firsthand.